Stunning New Video - Alien Reverse Engineered Vehicles (the Fluxliner!) and ZPE

Zaphod58
reply to post by signalfire

 

That doesn't change the fact that technology levels that are similar are extremely hard to reverse engineer.

Extremely hard but possible.

Gozer
I The wheel is a simple thing, yet it revolutionized everything, and has since it's inception.

Actually it wasn't the wheel. It was the axle, bearings and the suspension, how to get something rotating (wheel) to hold up something which isn't (the cart). The wheel was possible to exploit only after you solved the other two.

reply to post by Gozer


Of course the basics are simple. Keely had the the ZPE part much more than 100 years ago.

Zaphod58
reply to post by MysterX

 

So you are telling me that if someone handed a piece of material that no one on earth had ever seen it's just a matter of throwing enough money at it. It doesn't matter if it is something that no one has any idea of how it works, throw enough money at it and we can do it?

Depends on what time period you're talking about.

Hypothetically, if you found ET's spacecraft, there's no way you could make a replica with the same capability.

But you would start looking at understanding certain components, and vigorously doing your own science and engineering in what appear to be consistent directions. You would put much more effort into seeming 'dead ends" because you knew that eventually there was a "live end".

Tnowing that a certain target technology existed which can do something awesome might lead you to something new. There would be many materials which could not be directly replicated. Making a S-class MBZ in 1870 isn't feasible. But knowing that liquid hydrocarbons go into a machine which has internal combustion cylinders would be a nice hint about the proper direction to work on.

Suppose Michael Faraday (1820's) came across a tube radio from 1920's. Would he be able to make another one? Probably not. But he would start to get pretty intrigued about the combination of things he understood which things which he didn't, and probably discovery of the electron in vacuum would be speeded up by 50 years.

But in the end, of course an actual factory of replicas would have to be based entirely on known engineering and capabilities.

jtma508
The physics behind it are nothing particularly new and explain how it could potentially operate.

What is the physics behind it? Please explain with more than mumbo jumbo.

signalfire
Stephen Bassett's Paradigm Research Group released a link to this just recently along with Stephen's rather stunning appearance on the C2C show two nights ago alleging that the U.S. government has been silencing UFO and black project whistleblowers by way of weaponized cancer and poisoning...

This makes sense to you? This is what I call the "Dr No" or "Batman" scenario. The one from the 60's. There's always some some arcane, over-complicated, long-winded method of killing someone. "Yes, Batman, I've hung you upside-down over a vat of boiling acid, and a giant pendulum shaped like a penguin is slowly lowering a sword down to the rope..."

If they wanted to get rid of you, instead of "weaponized cancer" you'd get a "mugging". Or a car crash. Or you'd have a case of suicidal depression and shoot yourself in the back of the head a few times.

signalfire

JHumm

Maverick7
It's utter nonsense.

You can't reverse engineer alien vehicles. You must have the methods they used to produce the equipment and technology. Without it you have nothing.

True , it would be like walking into a 5th grade classroom with an LED tv and say ok kids make me one just like it by reverse engineering it ...not gonna happen

Or like going to a high school science fair and learning that some kid designed and built a 'star in a jar'.

Oh wait, that really happened.

I have, too. You didn't think the kid invented it, did you? It's a fun bit of shop work. Hundreds of people have done the same, some of them high school kids. If I had a wad of cash and all the time in the world, I could have gotten it up to a decent level of neutron output.

KnightLight

Using voltage meters and high level magnification you can figure out what circuits are doing assuming they are there...

Think you could do it with 1940's technology on a microprocessor die? You wouldn't know what a MOS transistor was. It would look like it had a structure, but you wouldn't be able to follow what it was or what it was doing.

MysterX

But come on mate, if i was a specialist in electronic design and manufacture it would be a piece of cake.

Not if you're still using relays for storage, or vacuum tube flip-flops.

Besides, we discoverd silicon chips, how to build them, the tooling to build the tooling to build the ram and made orders of magnitude advances all in a few decades...so it obviously can be done, we've done it and now it is simplicity itself for ordinary factories to churn ram out all day long.

After 70 years of hard work and incremental developments that built on each other. It's a bit different to start with a very different much more primitive technology and instantly leap to interference masks.

The same applies to the tooling, and tooling for the tooling to build just about anything else...time, research and money..not much elese is required.

And let's face it, the US has had lots of all three of those.

If I handed you an unlabeled integrated circuit and said "Make this do something", you'd likely be able to produce smoke once. If you didn't even know what an IC was, or a transistor, or that you COULD make something like a transistor because you were living in the early 40's, you'd be up the creek.

signalfire
And since it appears to be based on information Tesla discussed over 100 years ago... how complicated can it really be to construct if you have a working model (alleged) to work off of? Reduced down to basics, it's a giant Tesla coil, with seats.

Everything cranky invokes Tesla at some point. It's sort of a conspiracy theory Godwin's Law.

You should be very wary of anyone saying "Because Tesla" as vindication.

reply to post by Bedlam


None of your posts have anything to do with the contents of the movie. How about telling us how, or how not, it would have worked?

I once went back in time in a van. Within a few years every neanderthaal was flying round in anti-gravity cars. Disaster I tell you.

Anyone believing this has no idea how impossible reverse engineering tech like this would be.

The stunning part is that people believe it.

reply to post by Taggart


If it is so hard with similar technology levels, why would it even begin to be possible when one tech level is so far ahead of the other?

Zaphod58
reply to post by Taggart

 

If it is so hard with similar technology levels, why would it even begin to be possible when one tech level is so far ahead of the other?

Bam. Exactly. People think in a few years they take downed alien craft and already have brand new ones they built. Anyone with the smallest idea of what happens with reverse engineering tech that is 1 generation more advanced would know the sheer lunacy of thinking that.

I call BULL on ''reverse engineered'' Alien saucers its just more dis info from the Government ,like the Greys and all the stupid stories about some General or Major involved in underground tunneling[for Military underground bases] which broke into a Grey Bases and did battle with them ,captured Alien beings in Area 51 etc who are lonely and depressed blah blah ,or the Military doing Deals with Aliens for technology ,crashed alien saucers etc, just lies to cover up the Technology they have ,which is way ahead of the antique jet engine ,rocket etc tech, that never really advances, as the world is kept in a state of suspended [technology]animation ,to keep the world believing the only energy sources are oil,coal,solar,etc and nothing else is possible

UMayBRite!
reply to post by Gozer

 

Of course the basics are simple. Keely had the the ZPE part much more than 100 years ago.

Not at all. Keely was great with hidden compressed air lines. Total fraud.

reply to post by signalfire


Tough at work. I'm here working on stuff that (nearly) works at the local MIC complex.

If it was 10 minutes maybe. An hour and a half of bogosity is tough to invest in. Definitely can't do it on break.

reply to post by crayzeed


I liken this to giving the pilgrims a new corvette and asking them to reverse engineer the whole car.

reply to post by signalfire


I don't have time to watch the whole video, so please answer a question that has long bothered me about these back engineered flying saucers: are the hulls welded, bolted or held together with screws? If screws are used in the construction of these craft, do the aliens turn them clock-wise or counter-clockwise to tighten them?

Pretty good film. I know people who saw some weird craft a while back. They don't talk about it often, they figured they were some top secret government creations, being that we used to have an airforce base here till they closed it a while back. Two of the guys had served in the military during WW11

We would have some of our best scientists working on this, they could reverse engineer something that they found. Most aren't really creative though, thinking of it on their own would be hard. They are taught what we know already, this lowers their ability to create what we do not know.