Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

a reply to: cosmonova

Agree but nothing wrong in getting the pro-Russia group weapons that can kill tanks in one shot like RPG-29 and anti material sniper rifles etc. Presence of anti-material rifles would have taken out or crippled more than a few tanks and that too from longer distances.

Morale of Kiev forces is already low and several heavy blows will result in outright refusal to fight. A 20 tank attack repulsed would make Junta think a dozen times before sending another such team in the eastern direction.

In an unprecedented move, Ukrainian self-defense forces and Kiev’s troops have carried out an exchange of dead bodies near Donetsk. However, a fragile ceasefire reached for the exchange was interrupted by shooting.

Waving a white cloth, self-defense forces of the Lugansk People’s Republic, wearing camouflage and masks, met Ukrainian troops on a road. The latter were also hold a white flag with a black ribbon over it.

The dramatic exchange took place at dawn in the eastern town of Karlivka, just outside Donetsk.
The Lugansk militiamen took the bodies of nine of their killed comrades and also 12 injured troops and handed the remains of over 100 of Kiev’s army fighters to the Ukrainian forces, "not counting those in the airport."

a reply to: cosmonova

Putin's options are limited and hence he cannot launch a full scale attack on Ukraine atleast not at the drop of a hat. Providing weapons is something he can do easily. Russia should say openly that if heavy weapons like tanks and artillery guns are used on civilian fighters then Russia will provide similar assets to its supporters.

Human rights violations are taking place for last two months. 1200+ pro-Russians have been killed already. This is too much to bear. Even in Chechen wars so many soldiers did not lose lives in two months. Worst these are civilians who are taking the hit. There are many ways Moscow can help and should immediately.

latest report from NAF, 8 hours ago.

At 23:00 (MSK): the situation changes on an hourly basis. The Junta troops have retreated to the previously held positions near Kirovsk. As a result of work by centres of resistance, Junta has abandoned and retreated from Yampol and Seversk. A Su-25 ground attack fighter was shot down over Yampol, this has been confirmed now. With respect to the the two aircraft and a "crocodile" (Mi-24 helicopter) shot down earlier, there has been no confirmation yet. The battles continued. Yampol was fight till the end.

At 23:10 (MSK): at the southern outskirts of Krasniy Liman, there is maneuver-centric combat with the Kirovsk checkpoint. A column comprised of 20 armoured elements (3 tanks and 17 "BMP" APCs) is moving from the direction of Kirovsk toward the vicinity of the 3rd School (Krasniy Liman). An additional 2 tanks and 5 "BMP" APCs. One tank and a "tachanka" (a towed machine gun or an artillery piece) moving in the direction of Ostavki.

At 23:15 (MSK): The column [noted above], having passed down the Lenin street, turned back in the direction of the Golubiye Ozera ("Blue Lakes'). Large-caliber machine gun fire in the southern part of Krasniy Liman.

Yulia Tymoshenko said on the phone she would like to nuke all the Russians and East Ukraine, and then do the Russians proper. Did that threat come out of nowhere? As the former president, was she aware of some of these proliferation problems that the public was never told about so as not to scare them?

Our governments had failed miserably to protect us from such a Jericho threat. On the contrary, some were involved in it. And then you see we poured two trillion into the phony al-Qaeda wars, and pushed for a war with Iran based again on a phony nuclear threat, while the real one was never discussed. Who could benefit from that?

Frankly, when I see countries doing really stupid things with huge downside risks and no visible upside, I begin to get very concerned. Corporate media has completely ignored our VT series, nothing really unusual there, but we did get some notice of a different kind.
A national security letter was put on one of the sources. That is not done for make-believe things. So they validated the series by doing that, something they should have thought of beforehand.

So the showdown continues. The East Ukrainian miners marched and pledged today that if Kiev does not stop its military attacks on the region, they will put down their shovels and pick up their guns to defend their homes and families. They view the situation with no confusion.

The idiot Poroshenko actually said, and I am not kidding, that he is waiting a few more days to get the Russian border locked down before declaring a ceasefire. He has about 90% of the 2000 miles of border yet to do... in a few days.

You see why I used the word idiot. You just can't make this stuff up. Poroshenko is just another one of these totally incompetent leaders who do not get where they are by accident. Someone wanted an idiot in the Ukraine presidency, and it looks like they got one. He and his backers are a major threat to international security.

another great article detailing who is behind this nasty game in Ukraine

www.presstv.ir...

Well things appear to be escalating in Ukraine first apparently Polish mercenaries have entered the fray.

www.opednews.com...

Then we have Russian troops in Ukraine starting to wear their unit patches rumor has it that way if captured they have protection under Geneva convention.

The US treasury department has issued further sanctions against individuals.

www.treasury.gov...

Then the Ukrainian military has retaken border posts but Russia is now claiming there firing on Russian border posts according to RT (source questionable).

Peace plans dont seem to be going well Russian fighters are refusing to stop.

Ukrainian forces attack eastern cities after giving rebels ultimatum
Pro-Russia fighters refuse to surrender after 'anti-terrorist operation' gives them three hours to give up arms
www.kcci.com...#!1rC0a

And on a side note only because i found this interesting apparently Putin is pledging support to the Iraqi government?

en.itar-tass.com...

a reply to: victor7

Russia should say openly that if heavy weapons like tanks and artillery guns are used on civilian fighters then Russia will provide similar assets to its supporters.

And what makes you think he hasn't already done something such as that?

Also if he did that it would show that Russia has always been providing assets to the separatists although Russia denies it.

There are many ways Moscow can help and should immediately.

It's pretty well known that they have already helped...foreign fighters, Russian military hardware.

You do understand that Russia is the reason this situation is happening in Ukraine, because it wasn't happening before Crimea.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: victor7

Russia should say openly that if heavy weapons like tanks and artillery guns are used on civilian fighters then Russia will provide similar assets to its supporters.

And what makes you think he hasn't already done something such as that?

Also if he did that it would show that Russia has always been providing assets to the separatists although Russia denies it.

There are many ways Moscow can help and should immediately.

It's pretty well known that they have already helped...foreign fighters, Russian military hardware.

You do understand that Russia is the reason this situation is happening in Ukraine, because it wasn't happening before Crimea.

No it wasnt happening before Crimea it started when Putin started playing games with propaganda machine. Hes following Hitler's playbook to the letter. Alot of people dont know but Hitler did this exact same thing to poland before WW2.In fact everything Putin has done so far was exactly what Hitler did.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: cosmonova

www.presstv.ir...

Iranian media...well I guess it isn't Russian media this time.

They really aren't an unbiased media when it comes to the west...they are somewhat like Russian media.

a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

Washington wants to have nothing to do with this you havnt figured that out yet? Obama is avoiding this situation completely and doing the bare minimum he figures the international community demands. If this was truly a plot by the US troops would already be on the ground and the Russian troops would have been thrown out of Ukraine. See to the US theres no vested interest in Ukraine it was only an issue because Russia or more correctly Putin ignored international law and the US cant be seen as ignoring it. In truth if Russia took Ukraine at this point means nothing to the US except more countries joining NATO.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

Ukraine cannot afford long lasting conflict as simple as that. There is no money. Junta masters from Washington are aware of that and they are provoking Russia harder than ever. Will not work. And winter will be around the corner with no gas from Russia. Ukraine is doomed as well as US plan to provoke Russia.
NAF forces are becoming bigger by days and they are now in possesion of some serious weaponry.
I predict conflict to escalate to new levels in coming days.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

Washington wants to have nothing to do with this you havnt figured that out yet? Obama is avoiding this situation completely and doing the bare minimum he figures the international community demands. If this was truly a plot by the US troops would already be on the ground and the Russian troops would have been thrown out of Ukraine. See to the US theres no vested interest in Ukraine it was only an issue because Russia or more correctly Putin ignored international law and the US cant be seen as ignoring it. In truth if Russia took Ukraine at this point means nothing to the US except more countries joining NATO.

A cute bedtime story

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

Ukraine cannot afford long lasting conflict as simple as that. There is no money. Junta masters from Washington are aware of that and they are provoking Russia harder than ever. Will not work. And winter will be around the corner with no gas from Russia. Ukraine is doomed as well as US plan to provoke Russia.
NAF forces are becoming bigger by days and they are now in possesion of some serious weaponry.
I predict conflict to escalate to new levels in coming days.

Well id say Ukraine can aford it its Russia that cant in the long run. Russia's economy cant afford a long war thats why Putins trying to play this game sending in troops undercover stirring unrest. He doesnt have the manpower to take Ukraine and hold it nor the money necessary to do so. Crimea alone is going to be a huge drain on the Russian economy. And dont think the Russian military is vastly superior to Ukraine most of their army are conscripts they do one year service and leave the military.

a reply to: dragonridr

The EU essentially got the go ahead for the reverse gas supply to Ukraine since it does not violate any laws.

Russia has been caught again sending tanks and heavier firepower into Ukraine.

The Pro Russians are screaming for help from Moscow because they are getting their asses handed to them.

Russia moved troops again back towards Ukraine's border.

Me thinks Putin should put the vodka away. The US just upped the number of people who have been sanctioned in Russia. Merkel and Obama are now discussing the sector sanctions since Russia is continuing to create instability in Ukraine.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

Ukraine cannot afford long lasting conflict as simple as that. There is no money. Junta masters from Washington are aware of that and they are provoking Russia harder than ever. Will not work. And winter will be around the corner with no gas from Russia. Ukraine is doomed as well as US plan to provoke Russia.
NAF forces are becoming bigger by days and they are now in possesion of some serious weaponry.
I predict conflict to escalate to new levels in coming days.

Well id say Ukraine can aford it its Russia that cant in the long run. Russia's economy cant afford a long war thats why Putins trying to play this game sending in troops undercover stirring unrest. He doesnt have the manpower to take Ukraine and hold it nor the money necessary to do so. Crimea alone is going to be a huge drain on the Russian economy. And dont think the Russian military is vastly superior to Ukraine most of their army are conscripts they do one year service and leave the military.

Ukrainian army? The one complaining they have nothing to eat, lol. Go back a page and see what that soldier is saying.
They are not able to handle even a few thousand of Pro Russians. 2 months later, apart from destroying residential areas from distance they have done nothing. They are a joke. Disorganised, no coordination, scared to go into direct conflict,
no money, no food apart from donations, no battle experience, lack of motivation...you name it. They missed opportunity at the beginning when Pro Russians had just basic weapon and low numbers. Too late now, in my opinion, to turn everything around.

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Catacomb

Ukraine is stage managed from Washington DC.

The coming war will have no resemblance to WWII. Your figures of 'thousands' is baby talk.

Ukraine simply does not understand what it is getting into.

West is pushing Russia hard from all sides. Nothing good can come out of it.

Ukraine is getting latest military hardware from NATO. The stakes have become very high. Obviously Russian tech is not able to match NATO. But things will change in time.

Any Ukrainian victory will prove to be temporary. A lot of blood will flow. The people who are celebrating today in Kiev will be the one on the firing line tomorrow.

Ukraine cannot afford long lasting conflict as simple as that. There is no money. Junta masters from Washington are aware of that and they are provoking Russia harder than ever. Will not work. And winter will be around the corner with no gas from Russia. Ukraine is doomed as well as US plan to provoke Russia.
NAF forces are becoming bigger by days and they are now in possesion of some serious weaponry.
I predict conflict to escalate to new levels in coming days.

Well id say Ukraine can aford it its Russia that cant in the long run. Russia's economy cant afford a long war thats why Putins trying to play this game sending in troops undercover stirring unrest. He doesnt have the manpower to take Ukraine and hold it nor the money necessary to do so. Crimea alone is going to be a huge drain on the Russian economy. And dont think the Russian military is vastly superior to Ukraine most of their army are conscripts they do one year service and leave the military.

Ukrainian army? The one complaining they have nothing to eat, lol. Go back a page and see what that soldier is saying.
They are not able to handle even a few thousand of Pro Russians. 2 months later, apart from destroying residential areas from distance they have done nothing. They are a joke. Disorganised, no coordination, scared to go into direct conflict,
no money, no food apart from donations, no battle experience, luck of motivation...you name it. They missed opportunity at the beginning when Pro Russians had just basic weapon and low numbers. Too late now, in my opinion, to turn everything around.

You do realize that was Russian propaganda again dont you? Actually Ukraine is destroying the well i was going to say pro russians but lets be honest the antagonists Putin is paying to start trouble. Youve got people in Donbass now trying to get the Russians to stop hiding around their neighborhoods. There attacking people in the streets miners for example on the way to work comes to mind. The people in Ukraine are starting to realize Russian media is lying to them i was watching interviews. The whole white phosphorus fiasco is costing them. One women even made a joke about white lies kind of funny.

To make matters worse this latest maneuver of bringing in heavy weapons from Russia caused Kiev to close the border when they were trying to keep it open so the Russians could leave. Every move Putin has made has been counter to his best interests he needs to lay off the vodka.

a reply to: cosmonova

Come winter and Ukraine as a state will collapse. Then we will see how much help the US or EU comes with to the bootpolishing Junta in Kiev.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: cosmonova

Come winter and Ukraine as a state will collapse. Then we will see how much help the US or EU comes with to the bootpolishing Junta in Kiev.

Where you aware
china has an LNG infrastructure and just dying to get into the European market? In fact the irony is thell be selling Russian gas soon since they had Russia over a barrell and they had to agree to Chinas terms.

DIRECT TRANSLATION: Meet the Ex-Convicts, Bullies, and Armed Bikers Who Helped Seize Crimea - Putin Secretly Decorates Russian Volunteers Who Backed Moscow's Troops in Takeover

Russian President Vladimir Putin bestowed state honors in recent months on more than 300 Russians who it declared had done an outstanding job in helping Russia’s seizure from Ukraine of the Crimean peninsula. But the happy news has been kept strangely quiet. The official Russian presidential website, which assiduously lists the text of each Putin ukaz, or executive order, skipped over Ukaz No. 269, in which he bestowed most of those honors. The website simply skips from No. 268 to No. 270, and the president’s press office told the Russian daily Vedomosti last month that Ukaz No. 269 “is not within public access.”

While the decree is secret, the names of its honorees are slowly leaking out. Many of those known until now are prominent media executives and journalists who helped shape the Crimea story to the Kremlin's liking -- a reminder that the Russian state's propaganda machine, both domestic and international, is one of its most powerful weapons in the conflict with Ukraine.

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Kremlin Awards Medals for Courage (and Pension Bonuses) to Russian Journalists Who Cover Ukraine ‘Objectively’

Order Of Courage



Putin orders forces in the Urals on combat alert

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday ordered military forces in central Russia on combat alert as well as a drill of airborne troops, a day after Ukraine ordered a cease-fire with pro-Russian rebels.

NATO said earlier this week that Russia has resumed a military build-up on the border with Ukraine where pro-Russian separatists have been fighting government forces for weeks in a conflict that has left about 300 people dead and displaced over 34,000.