Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

Just came across this and don't know how reliable it is...

www.atr.ua...

Let me add this is supposedly from Crimea.

From www.theguardian.com...

This video purports to show a standoff between pro-Russian troops and a Ukrainian officer in Sevastopol. Translations underneath suggest the Ukrainian is resisting attempts by the troops with their faces covered to seize the arsenal of weapons at the base.

These Ukraine officers have balls, it looks like he tells the Russians to sod off!

Ukrainian forces stationed in the Crimea, defected to the government autonomy " without firing a shot ," reports RIA "Novosti" with reference to a source in the government of Crimea.

"During the day , most members of the armed forces of Ukraine , stationed in the Crimea, defected to the authorities of the Crimean autonomy , while the transition was absolutely peaceful, without firing a shot as part of the military , and by the self-defense forces ," - said the source.

According to him, some of the military simply fled , some have written a letter of resignation , but the majority moved to the side of the administration.

It is expected that in the near future military authorities sworn Crimean autonomy .

In addition , it is reported that the military have fallen complained remained unpaid

asen_y2k

maddy21
hehy.co...

Ukrainian military men resigning en mass in Crimea and the Ukrainian flagship switching sides .. This is very worrying First time i am honestly scared

Claimed by the Ukrainian as false propaganda. The flagship is in Greece.

Not that I am saying that it is true, but how to you know that the Ukrainians are telling the truth? Maybe it is real and they just deny it so that they do not demoralize the troops elsewhere?

reply to post by aLLeKs


Thats the thing about war, you have to hear both sides, and find the place in the middle of the two where truth lies, because neither side will tell you the exact correct.

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www.bbc.co.uk...

The BBC are reporting that Ukrainian airspace has been closed to all civilian aircraft and that Russian troops have been seen digging trenches on the boarder, possibly meaning they are anticipating some sort of military response.

During the last night of 10 ships of the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine left the base in Sevastopol, RIA "Novosti" with reference to a source in the Crimea.

"During the last days of the order of 10 ships left the base in Sevastopol, without coercion by the administration of the Crimean autonomy," - said the source.

According to him, several ships subsequently returned to their base in Sevastopol due to breakdowns.

weirdguy
From www.theguardian.com...

This video purports to show a standoff between pro-Russian troops and a Ukrainian officer in Sevastopol. Translations underneath suggest the Ukrainian is resisting attempts by the troops with their faces covered to seize the arsenal of weapons at the base.

These Ukraine officers have balls, it looks like he tells the Russians to sod off!

holy #, some guy in the comments was really that bold to just copy a post from reddit, which I made and post it as his own comment... wtf?? time to call him out. I hate this copy+past people

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wow what an #hole, that happened to me once

jude11
I'm Ukrainian and it's indeed a sad day for many.

I would hope that cooler heads prevail but we all know that won't happen. What's one more war but countless deaths of innocents and more gold for those pushing the buttons?

When we get a chance to hang high those TRULY responsible for this escalation among others it will be a great day for the World.

Peace

Sure we always solve violence and chaos by applying violence and chaos.

Here is another live stream if your interested...

www.ustream.tv...

So far it looks fairly peaceful, but looks can be deceiving.

asen_y2k

The speaker of the upper house of the Russian parliament, Valentina Matvienko, has ordered the committee for international affairs to ask President Putin to recall the Russian Ambassador to the US. “The president will consider the appeal and make a decision,” she said.

Link

Propaganda at its finest. Make people believe that they are already past diplomatic negotiations and are all ready to pick up guns. Two or three sources for this that don't all link back to the same source is needed

Chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Sergey Aksenov (interview) :
Until the last minute I did not know if I 'll take this interview. The new chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Sergey Aksenov just physically did not have time . At 7 am, he makes a statement about resubordinated all power structures of the peninsula and he personally signed the corresponding decree . Refers to Vladimir Putin for his support. Receives assurances from the Kremlin that the assistance will be provided . Holds first cabinet meeting . Appoint deputies generates priority measures to maintain the normal life of the peninsula, and here and journalists . But for the " Russian newspaper" Sergei Aksenov did everything possible to carve out half an hour.
To get to the office of the prime minister of Crimea , it was necessary to go through a number of inspections . Those are the most self-defense units , double and triple- checked the documents of my backpack . Inside the building - except for the cabinet - remove banned . In principle , there is nothing so secret no . Normal post . Attendant sits in a mask . Military , military . And at the reception, as usual , visitors papers. Urgent need to sign something , endorse , issue an order . For a couple of hours , while the prime minister out of office in the courtroom , he has 400 unanswered calls (half - mine) . And last night there was a coup attempt yet . Armed men approached the building of the Supreme Council and the Cabinet. Around a hundred people . The shooting started . Only decisive action Crimea defense prevented the seizure of buildings . Sergey V. was dressed in traveling in a dark sweater and dark pants .

- Tired ? - The first question he asked . - Do not worry, be patient . I myself ate yesterday at one o'clock , and he slept much last time forgot. Shall we begin?

What kind of assistance you have requested from Russia ?

Sergey Aksenov : First of all it material resources. After recent events Kiev we will do nothing . Well if only it . He will still be hindered us to develop economically . Therefore, at first it would be good to get economic support. I am sure that without the help of us will not leave . But dependent on the neck Russia we will not. I'm asking for the money we invest them wisely , and Crimea will generate revenue in the budget, and we will quickly pay off debt . We are currently calculating how much we need. And when we began to think it turned out that only in the city of Simferopol huge unaccounted hidden reserves. For example goes through the city 500 never registered minibuses. And it taxes. And everywhere you look, there are reserves to replenish the treasury . I talked with ministers and warned - all goes into the budget. A penny in his pocket. I know who many of these posts before taking . I will punish severely.

A military aid from Russia you did not ask ?

  Photo: Alex Nichukin / RIA Novosti www.ria.ru Moscow held a rally in support of Russian-speaking inhabitants of the Crimea and Ukraine
Sergey Aksenov : We , of course, and their forces enough. In Sevastopol , for example, carry out joint patrols of strategically important objects with the servicemen of the Russian Navy . Together guarded perimeter. Of course , we must at all costs avoid provocations. In different parts of the Crimea were seen APCs unmarked . Although exclude such a possibility , I would not . Today, we took control of the Republican prosecutor. Sealed room with archives. On Monday, there will come a new acting prosecutor of the Crimea and starts. MIA, border guards , customs, SBU - all on the side of the people. On our side.

How'd you do that ?

Sergey Aksenov : Conducted outreach . People understand - who is who.

A Crimean Tatar community ?

Sergey Aksenov : I personally spoke to yesterday with the head of Majlis Refat Chubarov . And we agreed to do more harsh statements . Now all is quiet . Believe me . National differences will not be , no matter how like in Kiev. Crimean Tatars I promise that we will deal with their issues and to invest in their social development .

Were there any contacts with Kiev ? What's happening now ?

Sergey Aksenov : Yeah, they divide the cakes there . They are not up to us. Laws print a bullet . By day 100 laws . That no one performs. Destination ... Who's Who appointed the hell would break a leg . And in the rest - speeches and threats that are unsubstantiated , empty words . Forces they do not.

Crimea is accused of usurping power and coup ...

Sergey Aksenov : On the TV show well as Administration in the western regions of capture - and nothing invaders for it does not happen. Our people are seeing - seeing and also decided . So who's talking . They themselves were screaming from the scene " Maidan" that the people should take power into their own hands . Here people also took . What do they want that?

Terms referendum on the status of Crimea moved from May 25 to March 30. What is the reason ?

Sergey Aksenov : The sooner we start , the sooner opredilili . Nobody will parasitize and say that we were unable to collect votes and so on. Although all of us by law. In the legal field to not undermine us , although our opponents will do it .

Political future of the Crimea - what is it ?

Sergey Aksenov : All show a referendum. More I can not say anything .

What is happening in the South- East of Ukraine? Say in Kharkov administration tricolor raised over ?

Sergey Aksenov : Crimea should be an outpost . I am sure that our example will be contagious.

Crimea is the sea. Crimea is the sun and, of course , a white ship . And then the man with the gun . Do not fall holiday season ?

Sergey Aksenov : We're all waiting! I responsibly promise Crimea by May will calm quiet , friendly . People of all nationalities live here and be happy . I invite you with open arms by all . " Maidan " there will never be with his tires and black smoke. Crimea will not fail !

text on russian:
Aksenov

spy66
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What would you like NATO to do With regards to Russia?.............. Start WW3?

What we see now is where Russia draws the line. If NATO, US or EU try anything militarly. It is all out war.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

NATO and the EU and the US wont do anything.
East Ukraine will vote for sepratism and will seperate. And there it will stop.

It's Ukraine. Not "the" Ukraine.

The Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR and also a sovereign nation before and after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And many of you people are wasting air with your whack views of an eastern-western divide or a left-right divide, and it's sickening to see that this is the only frame of reference you can inject here. It's not that black and white and tied up with a neat little bow.

Russia is a super power by any standards.

Russia’s economy ranks 8th in world by nominal GDP. The country has abundant mineral and energy resources making it among the largest producers of oil and gas globally. Russia is also a recognized nuclear weapons country and a member of the UN, the Council of Europe, the WTO and other international organizations. The country currently has the largest stockpile of nuclear arms in the world and boasts of a sophisticated military bomber force that rivals that of the U.S. It is the third largest in the world in terms of military expenditure although it produces the majority of its weapons within its borders. Russia has recently launched new campaigns to modernize schools and improve its science and research industries. www.therichest.com...

The comparison here to countries the US has invaded, particularly Afghanistan, and the true reasons for it, are particularly valid.

weirdguy
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In the live link to the protest in Kiev, there are now Russian flags among the crowd.
People are being taken away by what looks like police but I'm not sure.

There have been Russian flags "within the crowd" since the SSRs split, including within the Ukrainian government. Therein lies half this problem.

~Lucidity

It's Ukraine. Not "the" Ukraine.

The Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR and also a sovereign nation before and after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And many of you people are wasting air with your whack views of an eastern-western divide or a left-right divide, and it's . It's not that black and white and tied up with a neat little bow.

Russia is a super power by any standards.

Russia’s economy ranks 8th in world by nominal GDP. The country has abundant mineral and energy resources making it among the largest producers of oil and gas globally. Russia is also a recognized nuclear weapons country and a member of the UN, the Council of Europe, the WTO and other international organizations. The country currently has the largest stockpile of nuclear arms in the world and boasts of a sophisticated military bomber force that rivals that of the U.S. It is the third largest in the world in terms of military expenditure although it produces the majority of its weapons within its borders. Russia has recently launched new campaigns to modernize schools and improve its science and research industries. www.therichest.com...

The comparison here to countries the US has invaded, particularly Afghanistan, and the true reasons for it, are particularly valid.

Thank you for your "not condescending in anyway" input.
I don't know about everyone else, but i feel humbled to be shouted at by you..
It's "Ukraine"...sorry..not "The Ukraine"
I and everyone else are terribly sorry to have hurt your feelings with our - " wasting air and whack views of an eastern western divide, and i appologise humbl y for our "sickening only frame of reference that we can inject here".

I hope any further posts from myself and the members will be up to your standards.

However,back on track, we sit and wait a Russian response to NATO demands. Lets hope its favourable.

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If the truth strikes you as condescending, you might want to ask yourself why.

asen_y2k

maddy21
hehy.co...

Ukrainian military men resigning en mass in Crimea and the Ukrainian flagship switching sides .. This is very worrying First time i am honestly scared

Claimed by the Ukrainian as false propaganda. The flagship is in Greece.

Man Oh Please ..I need a News source to debunk this Myth ..A Russian Senator was claimed this PR ..Please I need the news Source

tsurfer2000h
Here is another live stream if your interested...

www.ustream.tv...

So far it looks fairly peaceful, but looks can be deceiving.

of course it is peaceful, this is Kiev, you will not see anything military there soon

reply to post by SajeevJino


It's an area of conflict, you don't disclose where your major assets are on network news, there will be a lot of disinformation coming from both sides right now.