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reply to post by oktopus
Here is my question. Why is there so much poverty, war, raping, murdering, abuse, starving and unanswered prayers in the world? How is earth only 6 thousand years old according to the bible? My personal belief is there is no imaginary man in the sky. Religion was made when civilizations where coming into existence to teach people how to live together. Example: rape, murdering, stealing and just in general getting along. I don't think that when you die that's it. I think something happens, don't get me wrong. I just don't believe in the fairytale that is religion. If you believe, nothing wrong with that but I don't.
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
1 Corinthians 15:42-49
So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.
St. Patrick taught the idea of the trinity to local Irishmen by using the shamrock - three leaves that are really one. Father, son and holy ghost or spirit. Yes, they are separate ideas or manifestations if you will but they are all one thing - God.
reply to post by arpgme
Thank you for your quote arpgme.
So, a heavenly man is a man who lives on earth. Do you agree?
reply to post by arpgme
I don't know if you are able to follow, but is a heavenly man; a natural man who obtained a spiritual body, eventually a Saint? Or should we just call him a heavenly man.
I say yes to my question.
(I know, I'm kind of redefining here)