posted on Feb, 1 2014 @ 08:28 PM
reply to post by Arbitrageur
You post just sounds like more silly rambling and woo is just a silly term that James Randi disciples say when they can't debate the issue.
First Einstein's quote went much deeper than that. He was saying this to a friends family at his death. This wasn't a lecture on Relativity. Just
imagine, your good friend dies and you talk to his family and say the distinction between the past, present and future is a persistent illusion. Why
would you say this at someones death if it's meaning only pertains to Relativity? Let me expand the quote:
“He has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me,” Einstein wrote to the Besso family. “That means nothing. For us believing
physicists, the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubborn illusion.”
Again, this goes to Einstein understanding that the universe is a unified whole and the distinction between events we label past, present and future
is just an illusion. He also said this:
“It is a magnificent feeling to recognize the unity of complex phenomena which appear to be things quite apart from the direct visible
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us,
restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by
widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
Again, it wasn't a lecture on Relativity. It was a much deeper statement that he said to his good friends family at his death.
You should have taken the time to read what I said:
It's not just the act of observation. A lot of people say the wave function collapses when the observer looks at it. We're not talking about
just looking at it. Experiments show that particles change the way they behave based on what we will know.
The conscious observers knowledge about the state of the particle is linked to the behavior of the particles state. I then gave this example.
For instance, if you have an entangled particle pair and one goes to Detector A and the other to Detector B and you put a QWP (Quarter Wave
Plate) in front of Detector A then the pair will behave like a particle and this will show up on the coincidence counter.
Let's change it up. We now will put a polarizing window in the path of the particle going to the B Detector. This will stop the Detector from
registering any coincidences. What happens?
A wave pattern shows up for the particle going to Detector A because we can't know which path information. It goes even deeper.
Let's say you move Detector B back further so it takes particle B longer to reach the Detector. Remember, the particle going to Detector A has a QWP
in front of it and particle A will be measured before particle B reaches the polarizing window
Even when there's a QWP there to measure which path information it still behaves as a wave because in the future we cannot know which path
information. So the perceived separation of time can't even break the link between what a conscious observer will or will not know and the behavior of
This occurred even though a measuring device was there to detect which path information. When the conscious observer couldn't know which path
information the measuring device couldn't measure which path. This occurred even after the particle passed the measuring device and the conscious
observer couldn't know which path information in the future.
How could the universe come into being if it didn't first know that conscious observers would be there to know it? How could it be reduced from it's
superimposed state if it didn't first know that we would exist? Even when the measuring device was there to measure it, it couldn't because there
wasn't any possibility for the observer to know which path information.
Also, how can the overall consensus be that no consciousness is needed when they don't even know what consciousness is or how it's supposed to
edit on 1-2-2014 by neoholographic because: (no reason given)