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True enough, I could have prevented this problem, but for whatever reason, I didn't so I'm stuck working through this.
This is a website focused on conspiracies, aliens, and the paranormal. You sort of walked into it, no?
I have no objection to blissful ignorance, but I do to stubborn, unchanging ignorance. If you show someone graphs from a variety of sources indicating this is the worst recovery in 70 years (at least), that person should abandon the claim that our President is handling the economy well.
While there are plenty of educated, well-thought individuals on these forums, there is an equal amount of blissful ignorance.
They are certainly entitled to have one, but only because there is no way to prevent it. I may have an uneducated opinion on Quantum Mechanics, but I would be a fool to express it, and would deserve the scorn and mockery it would receive.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, though.
If you're talking to a person who does not grasp simple logic and reason, it would be best not to talk about anything serious at all.
It does get frustrating when simple logic and reason does not get through to people.
There are rules to logic and reason. If someone can show me that any particular proof breaks those rules, I'm willing to abandon it.
I suppose their rebuttal would be to tell us what we think is logical and reasonable is a fallacy.
reply to post by charles1952
You missed the point of my comment. I meant that some people see the world different than you. That doesn't make them wrong. Let me give you an example. Christians believe in god, atheists don't. They also are not going to be swayed to the other sides viewpoint. Is one of them wrong for disagreeing with you? And are you willing to change your view? They are just as convinced as you that they are right.
As above, it's not about getting someone to accept my positions, some will, some won't, that's all fine and the way it should be. My complaint is with someone who has difficulty accepting contrary facts, from which a discussion can begin.
Another person could write the same thread saying that he can't respond to people with the opposite arguments. Basically, all you are saying is that you find it difficult to articulate your own position against those who simply do not agree with you and you get tired of trying.
All politicians are elected on faith. We believe they have the ability to do what they say they will do, and we believe that they are, more or less, being honest with us.
Are you telling me that Obama was not elected on faith?
Of course, that's fine with me. For a lot of the bills going through Congress, there is no one who understands it, let alone being capable of judging it's effects.
Political views are not black and white, both sides disagree with what the effect of every bill is going to be.
Ah, but on this one, I think it is. The reports show that income inequality went up 2% under Obama, but stayed flat under Bush. This is the weakest recovery ever. A smaller percentage of Americans are employed. Poverty is up, food stamp eligibility and cost is up. Median income of the American household has fallen. And on and on. Our debt has gone up sharply. The "Shovel ready" jobs didn't exist. Here we have some facts we can look at, and reason from. There's really not much evidence that the stimulus package worked.
Obama did the stimulus package to fix the economy and he says it works, the GOP says it didn't work. Which side is correct? The answer is not black or white.
I'm willing to have a discussion, but I have no idea how to have one with such a person.