Conflict between Australia and Indonesia imminent

And people wonder why Australia and the US are increasing forces on the northern parts of Australia.

Not only do we have North Korea being North Korea, we have Indonesia increasing their military strength with F-16's, Apaches and submarines and moving more frigates to their southern waters.

Then we have Australia getting caught spying (as if Indonesia aren't!) and now encroaching Indonesian waters numerous times.

Wondering if there's more to all this than we know.

reply to post by AlphaHawk

They treat Australia arrogantly and like crap ,fed up with Indonesia, and their attitude, like we owe them anything ??? NOT !! plus the foreign aid money our ''Politicians give this corrupt country, beggars belief ,and they dump all their illegal immigrants here

I have a problem with the way they are treating Australia over an incident which happened 4-5 years ago under a previous government.

They clearly want to harm Australia through alternative means, such as freezing bilateral relations on a number of things.

Now they have the gall to try and halt our policy of turning back the boats, even though it is a problem which is clearly theirs.

Things will get interesting, but i think it is time we stick it to them.

Daas.

To be fair, I'm Australian. My country is playing agent provocoter. There is an Agenda to bait both indonesia and timor. This is all part of the Pacific Rim plan of the US.

Wow, you guys are surely... unbiased. And capable of objective opinions.


I don't mean to attack you personally, but I take this as a perfect example of being "led by the media".

"THOSE are the bastards!" "Yes, we did spy, but THEY weren't better!" - as if that even mattered.


Yes, you might now attack me that I don't know anything and so on, blablabla. The truth is that you were led to hate some other country.

reply to post by 13th Zodiac


America is forcing indonesia to initiate conflict by sheer will? over an incident 4 years old? Not buying this lame blame game...this is simple, take our unwanted people or else, They do not try to keep their people at home, so they do not seem to want them, so force them upon their neighbor whom gives them money? yea, this is america's fault...again.

reply to post by ManFromEurope


I'm being objective.

You'd be an idiot to believe that Indonesia aren't spying on Australia.

And I believe we are testing Indonesia and not really sure we should.

AlphaHawk
reply to post by ManFromEurope

 

I'm being objective.

You'd be an idiot to believe that Indonesia aren't spying on Australia.

And I believe we are testing Indonesia and not really sure we should.

all countries spy is OBVIOUS.. who hasn't read SunTzu?

Indonesia is a muslim country..

Honor Rapes.. that is all i care to know. Suicide Bombers.. more than i need to know.

Wipe Muslims from the globe.

gives us something to do, puts people to work..

reply to post by HanzHenry


Well, non-adults with this opinion (and their star-givers) are one of the worse reasons the world won't come to terms - it's always the other people who are scum and have to be defeated, right?

Nope.

AlphaHawk
reply to post by ManFromEurope

 

I'm being objective.

You'd be an idiot to believe that Indonesia aren't spying on Australia.

And I believe we are testing Indonesia and not really sure we should.

Uhm.. ANY country is doing it's spy-job?.. The process of accusation is the preferred way of leading the MSM and the people to one's opinion.
And BTW: are you trying to insult me?

reply to post by AlphaHawk


I wonder what the Brits will get from all this. Surely they'll have a deal with you australians, unwanted maybe, forced maybe.

reply to post by 13th Zodiac



Yep... the US hegemony has found another proxy and theater of war, since it s middle eastern endeavours got called out for the fakes they were.... but heeeey... what s that? Gullible and formable Australians.... niiiiiiice...

reply to post by HanzHenry


i m really sorry for you, if that s your mindset...

Trueman
reply to post by AlphaHawk

 

I wonder what the Brits will get from all this. Surely they'll have a deal with you australians, unwanted maybe, forced maybe.

edit on 23-1-2014 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

Nothing. Why should they assist a former colony who hates them?

Dynamitrios
reply to post by 13th Zodiac

 

Yep... the US hegemony has found another proxy and theater of war, since it s middle eastern endeavours got called out for the fakes they were.... but heeeey... what s that? Gullible and formable Australians.... niiiiiiice...

You may have a valid point when the whole "shift to the pacific policy" is considered. What better way to get assets to the area than have one of America's longest allies endangered by LBFM (little brown fighting machines; great jungle fighters IMO).. Just a thought.. Once upon a time the USA was all over Indonesia training and helping their military... That went sour (if I remember right) in the late 70s

Now the U/S is all over everyplace looking for bases and bi-lateral agreements.. It is my understanding Indonesia is a small part of the grand plan... So you have to wonder what if any pressure would be applied if things progressed to a real shooting event?

Rollie

Trueman
reply to post by AlphaHawk

 

I wonder what the Brits will get from all this. Surely they'll have a deal with you australians, unwanted maybe, forced maybe.

edit on 23-1-2014 by Trueman because: (no reason given)

Nothing. Why should they assist a former colony who hates them?

Regardless of personal feeling and hubris a conflict between a leading and important Commonwealth nation and the worlds largest Muslim nation supplied with US manufactured weapons would be a matter of grave concern for the UK government. It would be very tricky diplomatically and I would imagine the UKF&CO is keeping a weather eye on the situation.

reply to post by 727Sky


well, isn t it obvious like a lame joke??? if you manage to "occupy" Indonesia, you re damn close to China s backdoor,... Russia s too, ...you re basically being able to control the south-eastern sea... let alone upcoming nuclear powers such as india... i really do hope they get their ass handed to them...

This current hoo-ha between Australia and Indonesia is little more than a piece of political theatre between two egocentric politicians looking to sure up nationalist support from their respective countries.

reply to post by ManFromEurope


No it wasn't meant as an attack on you, it's just a phrase.

And the MSM hasn't swayed my opinions, I try to avoid their hyperbole as much as possible.