US News: 50% Gays will be HIV+ by age 50

reply to post by Battleline


Some schools present same sex attraction as being acceptable, which it is. What do you mean by "normal". You mean normal as in, someone who practices safe sex such as condom use?

Safe sex practices are something that is a huge issue among gay men. Again, easily remedied by safer sex practices and monogamous relationships.

Somehow I feel you are equating being gay with being at higher risk when that's not the case.

Unprotected sex with multiple partners puts you at risk for catching STDs. This is true for gay men, straight men, and anyone else who consistently swap fluids with multiple partners.

Then add in drug abuse, alcohol, and oversexuality in the context of social gatherings among gay men and THAT is the issue. Just telling young gay men that the fact they like men is going to mean they are going to die of AIDS is irresponsible at best. Telling them that by having unprotected sex they have a 50% of contracting HIV would be a more realistic and honest approach.

Also supporting young gay men who are in stable, monogamous relationships instead of calling them slurs is another step as well.

The US NEWS report was the source for all the internet chatter (last July). If you notice, in the article the "50% by age 50" statistic is not repeated anywhere. No CDC report is cited as stating this factor. Why?

Because it was made up by the author of the article. The CDC fact sheet linked in the article is from 2010 not 2012.

There was a spike in infections when the findings were announced. Percentage increase in the top two age groups when added together equals 50%. Take a look at the CDC report. It's bad math that provides a catchy, quotable heading for the article.

Given the long-term trends seen previously, this spike will likely be an anomaly. With greater attention to prevention (again), the numbers will start to drop off again.

Really, in my opinion, it just smacks of the late 80s fearmongering regimes regarding gays as "plague-bearers" ... the fight against same-sex marriage is being lost, so the oldies but goodies are being dredged up again, in my opinion.

The whole subject is laughable. -dons tinfoil hat-

First question: After 30 (actually more like 60) years, why is this subject bubbling up to the top of the news again?
Second question: What is the known incidence rate of HIV developing into full-blown AIDS?

Honestly, this sounds like another round of fear-mongering. What are 'they' trying to distract us from?

I've been alive for more than 50 years. I've never met anyone with AIDS. I work in health care. I've never heard of a patient with AIDS. Oh yeah ... we get HIV+ people all the time ... but not one case of AIDS. Think about it.

So you know of someone dying from AIDS? Yeah ... that's a tragedy. I know of a LOT more people who've died in car accidents or from complications of diabetes, or cancer, or flu, or pneumonia, blah-blah blah-blah blah-blaahhh. How many of you know 20 people 'dying' from AIDS? If you could name 20 people you know ... personally (not professionally) ... I'd be shocked.

I'm not buying it. It sounds like NWO BS. They're playing with your mind. I recommend you don't fall for it.

Bottom line: This is about money and control.

Anyone recall the mysteries of Legionnaires' Disease back in the '70s? LOL ... medicine ... it scares people ... fear of the unknown. I can see TPTB right now: "Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's scare people with sex. Bet you a dollar ...

Having read the article and been around since the beginning of the HIV/AIDS epidemic there are a few things that can be stated:

The main problem with this entire issue is that it is not just one group that should bear the responsibility for getting the word out, but should be more of a society issue, and the government should support all efforts in this instance.

When the government is so inspired and ultimately does get involved, by giving resources and funding, diseases can be cured and suffering alleviated. The best example of this, was the disease Polio. Polio was not defeated by a piecemeal effort, but by a stroke of a pen from a sitting president. It was by a stroke of a pen, that all efforts in the medical community was directed and focused to finding a cure and a prevention for Polio, that had affected both young and old, and ultimately that the man who would be president of the USA would be struck by. No other time has such an effort has been devoted with such a drive and having the full resources to so such.

When HIV first reared its ugly head, no one wanted to do anything about it, it was considered the gay plague, and after all the gay people were considered to be one of the lower dregs of society. They existed in big cities on the coasts and ultimately who would really mourn or miss them. Even the federal government was not concerned or motivated to do anything or to take action on this issue. It was not until a straight woman and a child got infected by a nonsexual nature, and by not committing any crime, that the government then began to take notice and action. The sad part is that it took other segments of society becoming affected before the government took action, and by that time it was too late. Now many years later, it is going to be one of the many burdens medical wise and yet the policies do not reflect the needs of society.

The reality of the medical practice, is that it is always more profitable to cure the symptom, rather than the entire disease, and the numbers add up eventually, and the numbers are growing, while the numbers of those who can help are shrinking. Walk into any HIV clinic and ask this question, how many patients does one medical person or the clinic see on a monthly basis, and the numbers are astounding. Most HIV specialist have to take care of hundreds of patients every month, and the numbers keep growing, and that is also part of the problem the number of patients keep growing. Even the social services that are there to assist cannot keep up with the numbers.

In the upcoming years, the entire country and world is going to be hit by a tsunami of people who are stricken with life altering diseases, that will show up in the middle of the progression of the diseases, the first silver tsunami that will be hitting will occur within the next 10 years. And if it is bad now, it will get worse. The other sad part of this is that too many of the developing countries, like the USA is more concerned with the welfare of other countries, while at the same time ignoring its own population who have exact same medical problems. One must wonder what the policies would be if a large number of the politicians or their families were affected by any number of the diseases that affect so many.

About 5 to 14% of Europeans are immune to HIV due to carrying the CCR5-Δ32 gene.
This allele is found in 5–14% of Europeans but is rare in Africans and Asians.

This accounts for the high rates of HIV in africa.
en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting! No wonder Thailand's king (forget his name) has been undergoing extensive gene therapy to overcome (cure) the HIV infection.

There was some sort of failure tho.. which proves no matter how rich an individual, or seemingly modern the current tech, theres -in practice- no escaping the consequences of ones.. indiscretions

You know as point view this is not at all good sign for US.

yamammasamonkey
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Every person admitted to a hospital in the United States is tested.

That is a false statement.

In fact, in the hospital that I work in, only the doctor is allowed to approach and request an HIV antibody test from the patient.

Only the doctor may ask the patient to specifically sign a consent to HIV antibody testing Consent Form. Without that specifically signed consent, it is ILLEGAL to test said patient for HIV antibody.

Only the doctor may review the results with the patient.

No nurse, lab personell, or any other hospital personell has permission to approach, discuss, or in any way have contact with a patient about HIV testing or results.

If a patient asks, the doctor is immediately advised, and handles all communication and consents from that point, directly and personally.

Please don't spread falsehoods.

Hoosierdaddy71
Most of them will be on their third marriage by then. That's all that matters to them right now.

I knew that there would be comments from the cavemen, but I had hoped that it would of made it past the second post.

Gryphon66
The US NEWS report was the source for all the internet chatter (last July). If you notice, in the article the "50% by age 50" statistic is not repeated anywhere. No CDC report is cited as stating this factor. Why?

Because it was made up by the author of the article. The CDC fact sheet linked in the article is from 2010 not 2012.

There was a spike in infections when the findings were announced. Percentage increase in the top two age groups when added together equals 50%. Take a look at the CDC report. It's bad math that provides a catchy, quotable heading for the article.

Given the long-term trends seen previously, this spike will likely be an anomaly. With greater attention to prevention (again), the numbers will start to drop off again.

Really, in my opinion, it just smacks of the late 80s fearmongering regimes regarding gays as "plague-bearers" ... the fight against same-sex marriage is being lost, so the oldies but goodies are being dredged up again, in my opinion.

edit on 22Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:01:45 -060014p102014166 by Gryphon66 because: Fluffed

A hundred times this.


This is nothing but a right wing smear campaign.

For those who don't like Gays, good news.. it looks like the problem is going to take care of itself..

I guess it doesn't matter now that Aids is downgraded to a Chronic disease where one can easily live 30 or 40 years with treatment.. almost a full life.

What gets me is these people want what they want but they haven't got the brains god gave a chicken enough to know to stop these practices that will make them sick or possible dead. 50 % of them are that stupid? Come on.. this reads like these are just some of the dumbest folks on earth. I don't know if I agree with that simply because it's so unbelievable such a large number of people can be so stupid.. I'm not sure that data is correct.

JohnPhoenix
50 % of them are that stupid? Come on.. this reads like these are just some of the dumbest folks on earth. I don't know if I agree with that simply because it's so unbelievable such a large number of people can be so stupid.. I'm not sure that data is correct.

The simplest answer to that is the opening argument reads;

"If AIDS continues to spread at the current rate, 50% of gay men will be infected.

Thing is, it's a big if - the whole article is pure speculation. The gay community does however need to sit up and take note, I will not deny that for a second.

I can tell everyone that as I have posted before, there needs to be a refocus on safer sex practises. (Nothing is 100% safe - condoms can break etc etc.) The gay community is guilty of falling off the bandwagon a bit with safer sex promotion and there is an awareness of this among ourselves.

The other thing that needs to happen is promotion of monogamous relationship role models. Even as we are getting marriage legalised in places here and there, the negativity surrounding our successes is quite astounding to be honest. It's very hard for a lot of people to believe in the idea of lasting love when so many people are like wolves at our door just waiting for our relationships to fail so they can pounce in and denounce us as a lost cause and hopeless homos who couldn't succeed at having a lasting relationship if we tried.

yamammasamonkey
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Every person admitted to a hospital in the United States is tested.

Please provide a source for this statement.

~Tenth

Gryphon66
The US NEWS report was the source for all the internet chatter (last July). If you notice, in the article the "50% by age 50" statistic is not repeated anywhere. No CDC report is cited as stating this factor. Why?

Because it was made up by the author of the article. The CDC fact sheet linked in the article is from 2010 not 2012.

There was a spike in infections when the findings were announced. Percentage increase in the top two age groups when added together equals 50%. Take a look at the CDC report. It's bad math that provides a catchy, quotable heading for the article.

Given the long-term trends seen previously, this spike will likely be an anomaly. With greater attention to prevention (again), the numbers will start to drop off again.

Really, in my opinion, it just smacks of the late 80s fearmongering regimes regarding gays as "plague-bearers" ... the fight against same-sex marriage is being lost, so the oldies but goodies are being dredged up again, in my opinion.

edit on 22Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:01:45 -060014p102014166 by Gryphon66 because: Fluffed

Quoting for truth.

This is the exact kind of tactics I would expect to see by those who wish to smear and make light of LGBT issues and rights.

~Tenth

This seems a little hard to believe. I know many gay people ( at least in the west Hollywood area) and not one of them has aids or even knows of many people who have it. Maybe it's just the area has low side demographics but I just can't believe aids is spreading that fast.

JohnPhoenix
For those who don't like Gays, good news.. it looks like the problem is going to take care of itself..

I guess it doesn't matter now that Aids is downgraded to a Chronic disease where one can easily live 30 or 40 years with treatment.. almost a full life.

What gets me is these people want what they want but they haven't got the brains god gave a chicken enough to know to stop these practices that will make them sick or possible dead. 50 % of them are that stupid? Come on.. this reads like these are just some of the dumbest folks on earth. I don't know if I agree with that simply because it's so unbelievable such a large number of people can be so stupid.. I'm not sure that data is correct.

Exactly! Except, for the first line: 'the problem is going to take care of itself'

Is it? Gays occur in each generation consistently as about as commonly as left handers do (both involving development diversity in brain development).

Half the ongoing maturing population of men who have sex with men being HIV+ and dying off, does not stop the next generation's homosexuals from emerging and entering the next cycle of HIV infections over the next few decades every generation.

Sure, some 20-30% of men who have sex with men will go onto marry, contract HIV, as well as father children by the time they hit 50 and it is thru this venue that a significant increase in new heterosexually transmitted diseases will also occur. That is the added negative impact on the mainstream population of America, since the past 30 years and going, of men who lead double sexual lives, no doubt the majority of women either having no clue their husband is cheating on them with women, and/or in utter denial for the sake of the children, family and/or 'saving their marriage' at all sacrifices.

All in all, mainstream society bears the burden of those men whose indiscretions put not only their homosexual community at risk but also thru polysexual men and whoever they're ever slept with, putting those women slept with and any children conceived at risk just as well for HIV infection.

Indeed, the current med-pharma industry has lessened the image of HIV from one of full blown AIDs to decades of living asymptomatically due to heavy drugging with HIV suppressants, but that is a ticking time bomb itself as members of the homosexual community accept popping daily HIV-prevention drugs in order to somewhat the reduce the change that their ongoing sexual behavior over decades, reducing it to something as casual as shaking hands day in and day out with new folks.

This issue is being fed lip service and candy medicine up to the point where it blows up and the utter medication of a vast HIV population becomes no longer sustainable and not only will we have half of all adults gays dropping like flies but all the closet mens' wives dropping like flies to as well as women giving birth left and right to HIV infected children because they never fathomed they were ever expose. That generation will then have a depopulation scenario on their hands and there might even be 'infection wars' between civilians with a disarmed people left with nothing than the virus in their bloodstreams to fight back and seek vengeance with.

Are all women in United already REQUIRED to get an HIV test as part of pre-natal care?

So many studies have recently been done to not only show that HIV does NOT lead to AIDS, but that HIV has not been proven to be am isolated virus. Not only does this not help to dispell the HIV=AIDS myth, but it also cannot be proven to be passed sexually.

Couples, where one partner is HIV + and the other negative, have had unprotected sex for years, and the virus does not 'transmit'.

HIV + mothers can give birth to HIV negative babies.

Nurses who have accidentally pricked by needles of their HIV positive patients don't seem to have the virus transmitted to them.

More and more, HIV seems to appear as a deficiency-yes....but not a sexually sreaded killer virus. More like a deficiency to somethin natural...perhaps iron, sodium, magnesium, etc...

It HAS been proven, after all, that it is the deadly cocktail of prescribed HIV meds that do the killing...

If an HIV + patient is on the meds and then develops liver failure ( as most do after years of the poisonous medication), then their death is labeled and "AIDS related death".

AIDS did not kill them. The toxic medication did.

nixie_nox

Hoosierdaddy71
Most of them will be on their third marriage by then. That's all that matters to them right now.

I knew that there would be comments from the cavemen, but I had hoped that it would of made it past the second post.

I don't suppose you read my second comment in the thread, you know the one that says I'm for gay marriage.
People have to learn to take a joke.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

Just one story in support of my statement on no testing without consent.


www.dnainfo.com...

New York's public health law requires the
written consent of a patient before
administering an HIV test. A doctor or health-care provider must also offer counseling,
explaining to the patient, among other things,
how HIV is contracted and how testing can be
done anonymously. In revealing the results,
the health-care provider must offer more
counseling and referrals for emotional support
and medical treatment, according to the law.

The law also requires the HIV-infected patient's
name be placed on a state Health Department
registry.

The same holds true for the VA, except in 2009, the VA changed to verbal consent, but the notation is made on the chart by the physician after pre-testing counseling and educational materials are given to the patient.

Post testing, especially if positive, is a whole thread unto itself, but any 'secret' testing is patently untrue, and obvious fear mongering for whatever reason.

In my hospital, if we have a known HIV positive patient, the contact precautions are the standard precautions we use across the board for any patient. We never isolate the patient, or treat them any differently, there is no need. Standard precautions are all that are necessary.

The only time any changes are made is when the patient is extremely ill, and must be on special precautions for THEIR health, such as Neutropenia precautions, where we have no fresh fruit, flowers, etc., allowed in the room. Yet and still, this does not include special isolation type precautions, like one would have with a tuberculosis patient.

Special efforts are made, in fact, to assure that HIV patients are not treated in a specific, different manner, and that staff are on a need to know basis. If you don't have a reason to know, you don't. Privacy is of the utmost importance, and HIPAA training covers this quite extensively.

reply to post by QueenofSpades

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