reply to post by zeroBelief
Winnie and Nelson were the emblematic "sinister" and "public relations" symbols of a Janus-faced ANC.
Nelson Mandela certainly knew of her activities after his release, although thuggish behavior wasn't exactly unusual in the ANC.
I could let that rest with the understanding that war is just a terrible business.
But hey, if Ryan Shapiro wants to dig further, then why not?
That may point to more embarrassments for ANC leaders (and former leaders) if CIA files are released, since it is an open secret that in exile they
were involved in smuggling and self-enrichment, and MK members who questioned the lack of democracy and transparency ended up in horrific prisons or
If the CIA had really wanted to bring down the ANC since the late 1970s, they could easily have done this by presenting the truth to the media.
However, that truth had to trickle out after the fact.
Fred Bridgland was a journalist who discovered Katiza Cebekhulu in a Zambian prison.
Mr. Cebekhulu was an innocent man whose only crime was that he apparently witnessed Winnie Mandela murdering a child activist.
South African newspapers described him as the the most important witness in the Winnie Mandela trial - until he suddenly went missing.
It turned out that he was kidnapped by an ANC squad who took him to Zambia, where his detention was arranged in order to silence him as a witness
against Mrs. Mandela.
Rather embarrassingly, former Zambian President Kenneth Kaunda admitted in a filmed interview that Cebekhulu was imprisoned in Zambia at the personal
request of Nelson Mandela!
So Mandela had an innocent man kidnapped and imprisoned to protect Winnie (I guess it's an understatement to say that the conditions weren't exactly
For the whole story and more see Fred Bridgland's article on the good and bad of the Mandela legacy:
Even if the CIA only kept files with personal observations about current and historical ANC leaders this could result in some major scandals if
Mr. Shapiro could be opening a can of worms with results that he never anticipated.
He can't really embarrass apartheid, or an era in which the US still had segregation in many states.
Those issues have long been condemned - it's an old hat.
So who can he actually embarrass?
Only those people who currently still claim to be noble to the masses through information control, although much of that information has also been
published for anyone who digs a bit.
I'm sure there's a lot more that hasn't been told.
In fact, if the CIA refuses to release things, then it's probably to protect the ANC.
Surely one wouldn't allow the construction of a virtual saint (Mandela) over decades, only to have that undermined.
edit on 14-1-2014 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)