First Progress Report: Regarding Fukushima, provided by Tepco

Nearly all the known "Lies" got debunked here:
Tepcos Press Releases

People who claim that Tepco is "always bad" should read it
and correct their Statements!

Tepco is a huge Company like many other in our World
and sometimes the left Arm do not know what is happening
on the other Side or upwards or in the Head Office.

Also we need to see it in Chapters like the Time before 03/11 and after this Date!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Hi - I think there are many things we would agree on. I appreciate people who are able to discuss differences calmly and respectfully, thank you for that.

I do not own a geiger counter, I have been trying to scrape the dollars together unsuccessfully, hopefully by the summer I can. Here is a reading taken in July 2011 not too far from where I live with very high readings from the rain: www.youtube.com... I agree as Dr. Busby said that getting a range of readings over time and space will provide a trend but nonetheless this is what it was then and I am unaware of any other rain readings in this area since.

Corporations usually have a PR department/designated spokesperson - they are the ones who 'lie' as directed, not each and every employee each and every single time.

Is great you are able to dive into the technical stuff - we need people who can and will since the information is not forthcoming from sources who already have the means, like the government... and the nuclear industry...

Yes, Tepco has done some things at Fukushima, the question is if it's actually making any difference to the daily outpouring of radiation poisoning - and I think not. The situation there is precarious at best and most vulnerable, the odds are not in our favor of everything remaining 'as is' which is already really bad until they get around to actually fixing/stopping what some experts say is unstoppable.

Is it an ELE? I think the Northern Hemisphere and oceans are in dire danger - the radiation bio accumulates, we are going to be breathing and eating it no matter what we do and I think the cancer rates are going to sky-rocket but it will be chalked up to anything 'but' man-made nuclear disasters as has been the trend for past several decades.

People need to ask why all these nuclear reactors are leaking and it's 'ok' that they do so? Why are they built to not deal with spent fuel rods properly (like burying them deep in the earth with something like zeolite)? They want us to buy into global warming and never address all the nuclear waste slowly, but surely, permeating every aspect of life, that I believe will cause death. It just takes time for it to show up.... in another couple years I think the story will be easy to see when we will see cancer everywhere here in North America. It's already high, like 2/3 will get cancer or some ridiculous ratio - why is that if not for all the previous nuclear testing/bombing/leaking reactors? The stuff is bad and not to be confused with natural radiation like some people like to compare it to.

Here is a most excellent compilation of three topics from the original Japan 'monster' thread - icnoships.pelicanbill.com...
You can search for MOX (which is what is thought to be used for weapons); Plutonium & Pu 239; and most recently "Lying" ;-)

Here is a great report from the Swiss. Unbiased and not doom porn. It gave me a better understanding of what is going on at the plant. However it does appear this is a full melt-through event.

www.stofficetokyo.ch...

The biggest risk has been mismanagements by TEPCO and several open questions still remain. Sensational reports by media have added to people’s fears.

I posted this Info already yesterday in the big Thread
but i think it also belongs to this one,
even when you dislike the IAEA you get hints
about the Situation in and around F'Shima,
as well as you collect technical knowledge about
the whole Process!

IAEA Delivers Final Report on Remediation in Fukushima to Japan

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) handed Japan the final report from an expert mission that reviewed remediation efforts in areas affected by the Fukushima Daiichi accident.

The IAEA report, which is available online, describes the findings of the Follow-up IAEA International Mission on Remediation of Large Contaminated Areas Off-Site the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, held on 14 to 21 October 2013. The report highlights important progress in all areas to date, and offers advice on several points where the team feels it is still possible to further improve current practices.

Juan Carlos Lentijo, Director of the IAEA Division of Fuel Cycle and Waste Technology, led the 16-member mission team, which comprised international experts and IAEA staff working in a range of disciplines including radiation protection, remediation approaches and technologies, waste management and stakeholder involvement.

"The Mission Team was impressed by the amount of resources allocated and by the intense work that Japan is carrying out in efforts to remediate the affected areas and promote the return of evacuees to their homes, together with efforts for reconstruction of those areas," he said.

The team welcomed progress achieved following the first IAEA remediation mission in October 2011, including the remediation of farmland and forest areas. The team also welcomed significant progress by municipalities and the national government in the development and establishment of temporary storage facilities for contaminated materials generated by on-going remediation activities. In addition, the mission team noted the progress made towards the national Government's creation of interim storage facilities, with the cooperation of municipalities and local communities.

IAEA Source

The Report itself (54 Pages Pdf)

reply to post by Human0815

I've only just started reading this but one thing that is flawed that the IAEA always seem to do is when they discuss Internal exposure they say 100 Bq/Kg of Cs for food and 50 Bq/Kg of Cs for water is the expectable limit and they then equate it to a whole body dose as they reason for it being safe. But we know Cs concentrates in certain tissues and delivers higher doses to these specific tissues so their theory on safe levels of radioactive intake is flawed and needs to be reworked. But I don't think that is going to happen sense they are in the business of Promoting nuclear power and negative aspect such as this are swept under the rug.

Human0815
I posted this Info already yesterday in the big Thread
but i think it also belongs to this one,
even when you dislike the IAEA you get hints
about the Situation in and around F'Shima,
as well as you collect technical knowledge about
the whole Process!

IAEA Delivers Final Report on Remediation in Fukushima to Japan

The team welcomed progress achieved following the first IAEA remediation mission in October 2011, including the remediation of farmland and forest areas. The team also welcomed significant progress by municipalities and the national government in the development and establishment of temporary storage facilities for contaminated materials generated by on-going remediation activities. In addition, the mission team noted the progress made towards the national Government's creation of interim storage facilities, with the cooperation of municipalities and local communities.

IAEA Source

The Report itself (54 Pages Pdf)

This paragraph is a classic example of Political Speak and Say Nothing 101. Politicians and corporations use the tactic every day to give 'us' the impression that they're actually doing what we think/hope they are. It gives zero specifics. It gives unjustified "praise". They're simply covering everyone's butt while the stooges run the show. The IAEA isn't some bona fide watch dog, they're the ones who make sure all these places get away with everything! They 'stop' information, they don't give it. Did you watch the video about WHO's agreement with them? Probably not.

reply to post by BGTM90


Expectable or Acceptable ?

The max Level for Water is 10 Bq. a Liter here in Japan,
but this do not mean that our Body absorb the whole 10 Bq.,
afiar he accumulate ca. 30% and the rest get kicked out via the Feces,
when there is no steady state of Caesium also it accumulate only
for a short Time, afair ca. one Week.

Human0815
reply to post by BGTM90

 

Expectable or Acceptable ?

The max Level for Water is 10 Bq. a Liter here in Japan,
but this do not mean that our Body absorb the whole 10 Bq.,
afiar he accumulate ca. 30% and the rest get kicked out via the Feces,
when there is no steady state of Caesium also it accumulate only
for a short Time, afair ca. one Week.

Yes sorry for my grammatical error and yes I was wrong about the amount in water It was 2AM when I wrote it and I was very tired. But neither of those things have to do with the point I made. Be it 10Bq/L or 50Bq/Kg it still does not equate to a whole body dose. Nor does how much you absorb and how long it stays in your body. You completely side stepped my point. And it dose not stay in the body very long unless you have an excessive amount. At which point the mechanism of getting rid of it in the body can not keep up with the intake just like any substance.

reply to post by BGTM90


Please remember that i am not Native in English,
so you need to articulate your Input in a un-complicated Way!

Bio-Accumulation in Humans is not well understood
because we do not Test Caesium in Humans.

We need to look for other Mammals.

reply to post by Human0815

I finally got around to reading that so called "update" in the OP, but it's not really much of a progress report because it says:

As the first progress report, this report focuses on the unconfirmed and unexplained issues from immediately after the accident through to the end of March 2011

So in December 2013 they are still only reporting what happened through the first 20 days?

I don't expect it to be up to the latest minute but let's say they should have been able to put together a report in December 2013 that covered updates for the first two years, through March 2013, but it's only through March 2011. Why so far behind?

And even the information about the first 20 days is very incomplete. They say they are going to perform an assessment of the actual amount of water injected into the reactor. What??? They've had 2.75 years to figure this out and they still haven't done it yet?

Page 25 of 39 of the pdf:

-- Future study points --
Assessment of the actual amount of water injected into the reactor and continued study into its effect on the development of the accident

No wonder TEPCO has been accused of being slow.

Ok how about this for a question or way to think about it...

How would they be keeping us focus'd on an issue like this as a distraction?

Would it be done by vaguely covering it but keep it in the news JUST ENOUGH to keep us asking questions?

You know whats really funny? How often is it that we are actually questioning things that we see on the MSM?

I wonder how many people actually realize that their still as highly influenced by the MSM as everybody else but they think their awake strickly because they question it?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


The Original came out earlier but the Translation needed Time,
the Language here is Japanese and not English,
now look what kind of difficulties we have here at ATS already
with the interpretation of each Posting and now look
for such important Info like updates from F'Shima!

Tepco done already very bad in the past, Abe too,
so please excuse their slow Process or learn Nihongo!

Human0815
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

The Original came out earlier but the Translation needed Time,

When did the original come out, and how long does translating a 39 page pdf take?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


I made a Mistake here and just looked for it with my Wife and Souldmate:

The Reports came out on the same Day in Japanese, Chinese, Korean and English!

プレスリリース 2013年 「福島原子力事故における未確認・未解明事項の調査・検討結果～第１回進捗報告～」について

平成25年12月13日

Source

reply to post by Human0815

Thank you kindly for the correction!

Human0815
reply to post by BGTM90

 

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Bio-Accumulation in Humans is not well understood
because we do not Test Caesium in Humans.

We need to look for other Mammals.

Ok but its understood enough for you to state this

The max Level for Water is 10 Bq. a Liter here in Japan,
but this do not mean that our Body absorb the whole 10 Bq.,
afiar he accumulate ca. 30% and the rest get kicked out via the Feces,
when there is no steady state of Caesium also it accumulate only
for a short Time, afair ca. one Week.

But now that I state something that dose not fit your ideology it is no longer understood enough for that statement to be factual? Cs is excreted through the urine not the feces because it is water soluble. Its possible to predict where Cs accumulates in the body because it mimics potassium when metabolized. And then there is this.

Both radioactive and stable cesium act the same way within the bodies of humans and animals chemically.

www.lenntech.com...

reply to post by BGTM90

The way they accumulate depends on their chemical behavior. Cesium-137 has chemical properties that are similar to potassium. Because the cells in plants, animals and in the human body cannot distinguish between cesium-137 and potassium, cesium-137 can be mistaken by the body to be potassium and absorbed as such.

Because most potassium in the human body is found in the blood, cesium-137 can be found in all parts of the human body.

Nuclear Archive

Next Step:

We get similar Results because Humans are Mammals too,
we cant do such Studies with Humans but (imo. sadly) with Primates
and other Mammals!

We have a lot of Material about this Topic.

Once cesium enters your body, your kidneys begin to remove it from the blood; some cesium is quickly released from your body in the urine. A small portion is also released in the feces. Some of the cesium that your body absorbs can remain in your body for weeks or months, but is slowly eliminated from your body through the urine and feces. top

Source

You wrote: Ceasium accumulate in certain Tissues and this is incorrect too
as we can read!

"Afair" means "As far as i remember" i used this Word because i was not sure,
maybe you don't know this Word?

Human0815
"Afair" means "As far as i remember" i used this Word because i was not sure,
maybe you don't know this Word?

It's not a word. It's uncommon internet slang. Here's a list of common internet slang and it's not on the list:

www.chatslang.com...

There's AFAIK which is "as far as I know", which is a lot more common, but "AFAIR" is uncommon (it's not on that common list), so you'll only find it on much longer lists and less people are familiar with the uncommon usage.

Also while you may want to use the common slang acronyms elsewhere like text messaging on cell phones, they aren't allowed on ATS:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

first, let me say that the reason we don't allow text "words" here is because there are far too many people, myself included, who haven't a clue what any of it means. Remember, we are looking for intelligent conversations here and, since we don't charge by the word, we aren't looking for you to dumb it down.

Regarding bioaccumulation of Cesium, that happens until an equilibrium is reached. In this study of fish, it bioaccumulated in muscle for the first three years, and then it stayed roughly at that elevated equilibrium level for the remainder of the fish's life, so some is expelled but not all:

Bioaccumulation of cesium-137 in yellow bullhead catfish

137Cs in muscle increased up to about age 3, but did not increase with greater age (means for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 year olds were 2,630, 3,011, 3,513, 3,417, 3,599, and 3,339 Bq/kg, respectively).

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Thank You for your hint

Human0815
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

The Original came out earlier but the Translation needed Time,
the Language here is Japanese and not English,
now look what kind of difficulties we have here at ATS already
with the interpretation of each Posting and now look
for such important Info like updates from F'Shima!

Tepco done already very bad in the past, Abe too,
so please excuse their slow Process or learn Nihongo!

There is ZERO excuse for your 'friend' Tepco's track record! The IAEA is their protector and Abe is as bad as any of them. They're all in bed together. If you have any doubt of that look at Bohemian Grove information. I'll take Arnie Gunderson, Dr. Caldicott, et all ANY DAY over what the IAEA and Tepco claims to be 'truth'. I guarantee you the shills at IAEA and Tepco and the Japanese Government get paid a whole lot more in one month than someone like Arnie would make in a decade! And, yes, it's not just Japan that has all these problems, it's a global problem, but this is the Japan forum.