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His claim of horrible abuse is one paragraph in a work which seems (and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) to be a call for mutual respect, discussion, and tolerance
So here's my proposal: If you guys stop this war against everything, and start holding people to Christ's "no one's perfect, but I love them anyway" standard, people will grow to respect you. Instead of preaching at people, get to know them. Stop looking at people as moral inferiors, but as human equals. I would like to get to know you ... not as the Bible on tape, but as human beings.
In the end, this letter really goes out to everyone. The more we strive to look past petty differences and embrace what we do have in common, the better off this world will be.
Not only does the abuse allegation seem to be a minor portion of his post, it is not, apparently, something which he cares to discuss because he says nothing which could be realistically considered abusive. He may have been abused, I don't know, but without even knowing what the claimed abuse was, how can any of us really comment?
If he's not really desirous of a discussion, OK, fine. But if he is, I'd like that discussion to begin and not drift into other areas.
reply to post by scolai
You are correct, but the Bible is clear what is right and what is wrong. The problem comes when people use this as an excuse to be "superior". Pointing out sin out of love is not wrong, it's when we forget WE are also sinners, and use it as an opportunity to show we are "better" that a problem is created. This doesn't mean certain things are not set in stone as being sinful, they are.
AliceBleachWhiteThe problem with The Bible being "Clear" on what is 'right' and 'wrong' is that it condones Slavery, Rape as a means of obtaining wives as property, and even Human Sacrifice of Children (When someone is hearing Voices in their Head telling them they need to sacrifice their child).
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
But that leads to the question of whether it is the responsibility of Christians or God to convict sinners.
My belief is that the best an individual Christian can do is walk up privately to someone and say "Hey, Bill, I gotta tell you that what you're doing is going against what the Church tells us is right. Better look at yourself and try to figure out what may be going wrong in your life. Bro, I care about you and don't want you getting into serious trouble with God."
My question is what right do Christians have to judge people? Who gave them the authority to determine who is living in sin?
I understand that you believe the Bible to be an authority on the subjects, but does it not say that you should not point out the speck in your brother's eye when you have a plank in your own? Or that you shouldn't judge unless you want to be judged? Or the famous, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? And to that end, does the Bible not say that everyone has sinned?
Which is a good enough definition of hypocrisy for me to be going on with.
It seems to me that Christians have a habit of holding other peoples morals to a standard higher than they hold their own.
First, no Christian can say with certainty whether any individual person is going to Heaven Hell. For several reasons, including God's unfathomable mercy, and the possibility of sincere repentance and reform later in life.
It's not speaking out against things like homosexuality and abortion that bother me -- but the way they are spoken against. For instance, which sounds more pleasant to you? "Sodomites and baby killers are going to hell!" or "I totally do not agree with homosexuality or abortion, but no one's perfect. God still loves them."
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
All I'm saying is I don't believe it's the right or responsibility of any person of any faith to hold another person to a moral code. Jesus himself spoke out against this type of behavior when he spoke out against the Pharisees.
Also, what if Matthew 7:1-2 is not referring to judgement by god, but some sort of karmic retribution? The Christians have judged others for years ... and now they are being judged with the same vitriol.