Multivitamin researchers say "case is closed" after studies find no health benefits

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BOLD FACED LIES AND MORE LIES FROM FOOLS WHO WANNA BRING IN AN ERA OF DEATH VIA STARVATION FROM LACK OF THE ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS; 60 MINERALS, 16 VITAMINS, 12 AMINO ACIDS, AND 3 EFAs. This will help usher in the era of W.H.O. CODEX Alimentarius a draconian curse of eugenics laws. If any one of these 91 nutrients are missing long enough there are on average 10 difference diseases that can be the result.

The super elites gets IVs with all the nutrients straight into their bloodstream! 80 year old people that look like they are 40.

The University of Arizona Medical School took 1300 people, put them on 250-500mcg Selenium, and for 10 years they looked at them for skin cancer. And it didn’t help skin cancer, we know that, because Selenium doesn’t work for skin cancer. Zinc, and Beta Carotene and Vitamin E works for skin cancer. What they found out serendipitously, they weren’t expecting this, it just sort of popped out of the study, they were able to reduce esophageal cancer by 71%, they were able to reduce prostate cancer by 69% fellows, better than two thirds, they were able to reduce colon and rectal cancer by 64%, almost two thirds, they were able to reduce lung cancer, whether you smoked or not, by 48%, and ladies, in a parallel study from the University of California by the great Dr. Gerhardt Schrauser, he said you can reduce your risk of breast cancer, depending on the type of breast cancer, by 50-85%, by taking 250 to 500 mcg (of Selenium) everyday.


CODEX Alimentarius wants to ban vitamin C and other essential nutrients. This will boost the income, power , and leverage of the hospitals all owned by the royal british family.

I think these are more important than vitamins:

Omega 3 acids
Iron
Zinc
Calcium
Magnesium
Q10

grey580
reply to post by Swills

 

vitamins don't work.

I guess Viagra doesn't work either.

Buy some yohimbe bark.

You won't want to have sex with anyone, because your heart will be pumping out of your body, but your willy will be super impressu!

Oh if you can actually ingest it, then you will never need an erection ever again. Men and women of both sexes will worship you for your prowess at being able to keep down the vilest concoction on this planet.

Swills
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I agree and I would say that many Americans are deficient, our waistbands prove it (except for mine)! Big Pharma makes $ 0.00 profit from multivitamins so I can understand why doctors would not recommend such things. That said, if you're gonna take multivitamins then I would suggest doing some research because as you've said, there are plenty of snake oil salesmen out there.

edit on 16-12-2013 by Swills because: (no reason given)

So called Big Pharma are the biggest producers of vitamins by far.
All of the big players have invested heavily over the last few decades in vitamins and supplements (and in some cases even longer ago than that).
Can we call them Big Vit now?

As has been said, if you eat a healthy and balanced diet and providing you have no physiological reason to be deficient in anything. you don't need multi-vitamins.

Pardon?

Swills
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I agree and I would say that many Americans are deficient, our waistbands prove it (except for mine)! Big Pharma makes $ 0.00 profit from multivitamins so I can understand why doctors would not recommend such things. That said, if you're gonna take multivitamins then I would suggest doing some research because as you've said, there are plenty of snake oil salesmen out there.

edit on 16-12-2013 by Swills because: (no reason given)

So called Big Pharma are the biggest producers of vitamins by far.
All of the big players have invested heavily over the last few decades in vitamins and supplements (and in some cases even longer ago than that).
Can we call them Big Vit now?

As has been said, if you eat a healthy and balanced diet and providing you have no physiological reason to be deficient in anything. you don't need multi-vitamins.

You still need Vitamin C (ascorbic acid). Please read my post on Page 1 and some of the several very good vitamin c threads on ATS. Every primate, including humans, is so deficient that food will not cure your major genetic disease.

('plogies if I keep repeating the same thing, but trying to deny ignorance of our genetic disease during this ridiculous news tricking people into stopping taking any supplement).

When i was a Young kid from the Balkans i was very skinny an doctor in Italy told my family member that to gain my strength back i had to take Multivitamins which i did.

The Multivitamins saved my life and CBS and other MSM outlets are now claiming that taking Multivitamins has no benefits? says whom the same government studies that claims taking dark chocolate and beer is good for you?

FissionSurplus
I never pay attention to any of the latest proclamations from the so-called medial experts.

I have a severe auto-immune disorder. What put it in complete remission were vitamins and supplements, specifically the ones to boost the immune system as well as fight inflammation. I'm a firm believer in them, because the proof is in the pudding.

Don't forget, also, that a lot of the vitamins in our foods (especially the water soluble kinds) leech out of the foods long before they ever get to the store.

Certain drugs will drain your body of vitamins and minerals as well....even cigarette smoking depletes the body of vitamin C.

Our modern food supply and our habits mean that we do need supplements for optimum health. They work great for me, got me off all the pain pills I used to take, so why should I pay attention to what somebody who may not have my best interests at heart says?

edit on 16-12-2013 by FissionSurplus because: (no reason given)

You take immune enhancing vitamins for an autoimmune disorder? I find this surprising since I've heard this can cause those with these disorders to flare up. Good for you for finding something that works - a success story.

I need to take vitamin C I suppose but you get all the varieties you "should" take above all others for XYZ reason (and which to avoid). When is just eating an orange enough - keeping it simple? It's an overwhelming industry.

NOT EVERYTHING is a pharmaceutical conspiracy. Doctors have been battling multi vitamins for a long time.

They are NOT as beneficial as people would like to think.

Don't get me wrong...if a doc recommends or prescribes a supplement...you'd better take it, but most of these over the counter vitamins are full of filler. People have been known to overdose, not causing a dire situation, but overdosing to the point where their kidneys aren't fully functioning due to being clogged by all the fillers in vitamins.

Women with undiagnosed thyroid problems could be doing themselves more harm than good...because they are not feeling up to snuff due to an under/overactive thyroid, they may compensate with multivitamins.
A LOT of supplements interfere with thyroid functions.

Calcium supplements can cause A LOT of damage if taken for a long time and not needed.

We just DON"T know what exactly is in these multivitamins...especially the cheaper ones.

Doctors are not AGAINST vitamins...they are against people being duped into spending money and injesting pills that may hurt you more.

People have died from this...unborn babies, children, elderly.

Not all DOCS are greedy, money-hungry charlatans...most just know what they are talking about...they did go to school for a LONG time to become what they are.
Give Docs a break...they're looking out for you.

Dianec

FissionSurplus
I never pay attention to any of the latest proclamations from the so-called medial experts.

I have a severe auto-immune disorder. What put it in complete remission were vitamins and supplements, specifically the ones to boost the immune system as well as fight inflammation. I'm a firm believer in them, because the proof is in the pudding.

Don't forget, also, that a lot of the vitamins in our foods (especially the water soluble kinds) leech out of the foods long before they ever get to the store.

Certain drugs will drain your body of vitamins and minerals as well....even cigarette smoking depletes the body of vitamin C.

Our modern food supply and our habits mean that we do need supplements for optimum health. They work great for me, got me off all the pain pills I used to take, so why should I pay attention to what somebody who may not have my best interests at heart says?

edit on 16-12-2013 by FissionSurplus because: (no reason given)

I need to take vitamin C I suppose but you get all the varieties you "should" take above all others for XYZ reason (and which to avoid). When is just eating an orange enough - keeping it simple? It's an overwhelming industry.

With C eating an orange or drinking orange juice will buy you a "Get out of scurvy free" card. It's the bare minimum, or close to it, which will keep you from dying (the sailors before the limeys - they ate limes for c - would often just die from scurvy). That's the reason the U.S. recommended dose is 60mg a day, just to keep the suckers alive so they can pay the doctor bills, the credit card bills, the.....

Depends on your diet, but I don't see the harm in it, especially the water soluble vitamins. The fat soluble ones, A & E in particular should be watched. Ideally you want to be getting everything from food because its absorbed better, but supplementing can be good. I find it especially useful if I'm going to be doing something strenuous or for example going drinking for the night. A multivitamin before and after drinking does wonders for a hangover.

Dianec

FissionSurplus
I never pay attention to any of the latest proclamations from the so-called medial experts.

I have a severe auto-immune disorder. What put it in complete remission were vitamins and supplements, specifically the ones to boost the immune system as well as fight inflammation. I'm a firm believer in them, because the proof is in the pudding.

Don't forget, also, that a lot of the vitamins in our foods (especially the water soluble kinds) leech out of the foods long before they ever get to the store.

Certain drugs will drain your body of vitamins and minerals as well....even cigarette smoking depletes the body of vitamin C.

Our modern food supply and our habits mean that we do need supplements for optimum health. They work great for me, got me off all the pain pills I used to take, so why should I pay attention to what somebody who may not have my best interests at heart says?

edit on 16-12-2013 by FissionSurplus because: (no reason given)

You take immune enhancing vitamins for an autoimmune disorder? I find this surprising since I've heard this can cause those with these disorders to flare up. Good for you for finding something that works - a success story.

I need to take vitamin C I suppose but you get all the varieties you "should" take above all others for XYZ reason (and which to avoid). When is just eating an orange enough - keeping it simple? It's an overwhelming industry.

I'm glad that you have found relief.
I too suffer from an auto-immune disease (not yet specified) after a botched surgery sent my body into overdrive. You and I both know what auto-immune does to a person...it figuratively cuts them in half (quality of life).
However...the BEST way to get and keep vitamin C is through food, but Doctors have no probs with this supplement...but it is something that people CAN o.d. on, believe it or not.

I was tired of the pain med rigamarole myself...I just got off of them, didn't replace them with anything. I needed to mentally accept the fact the I would be in some amount of pain...trust me, some days are waaaaay longer than others. It would seem, that with immune issues, one must learn to deal with their way of life rather than rely on pain meds and anti-depressants (you wouldn't have caught me saying these things two yrs ago). I feel better since getting OFF my meds...physically and mentally. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THIS FOR ANYONE ELSE...this is what works for ME.

doctors need that money man. they don't want a world full of healthy people .

So on one hand, you have the evil cabal of doctors, who are in cahoots with the organized criminals running the pharmaceutical companies.

On the other hand, you have the vitamin supplement companies who are nothing but glorified snake oil salesmen hawking useless garbage and preying on your vanity and dislike of doctors.

It's enough to make a person try the radical notion of eating well and in moderation and exercising regularly.

NO THAT'S CRAZY!

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No more than 3grams of Turmeric a day please....must stress this....it's hepatoxic.

4,000iu of vit D a day will help you grow muscle too.

*secret tips of a natural weightlifter^^*

Hi, "study" fans.

. . .That’s the message from doctors behind three new studies. . .

And, WHO paid the doctors for their "study" ??????

== Follow the money == ?

Blue skies.

Ericthedoubter
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No more than 3grams of Turmeric a day please....must stress this....it's hepatoxic.

4,000iu of vit D a day will help you grow muscle too.

*secret tips of a natural weightlifter^^*

I've been eating turmeric like crazy and feel great (the powder on my food). I have never heard of this being toxic. The vitamin D - D3 is what I was told - with magnesium. For those with autoimmune disorders I'm sure they are aware these are more prevalent in low sunshine states (Northern). Vitamin D3 may therefore help.

Agent_USA_Supporter
When i was a Young kid from the Balkans i was very skinny an doctor in Italy told my family member that to gain my strength back i had to take Multivitamins which i did.

The Multivitamins saved my life and CBS and other MSM outlets are now claiming that taking Multivitamins has no benefits? says whom the same government studies that claims taking dark chocolate and beer is good for you?

I took mega dose injections of vitamins because I, too was not well fed. I stopped taking them when I was no loner deficient. Many water soluble vitamins are fine to take in a bit of excess, but I could see paradoxical harm from other vitamins in people already well-fed. I think of electrolytes in particular, if they are too high or too low they do harm, I can see a similar relationship with over-supplementing. I think a lot of the news outlets are skipping some important information though, they say the vitamins are dangerous but multivitamins were only no more effective than placebo in well nourished people (and a placebo is still good). The prime demographic are educated, wealthy, white women with no deficiencies because they can afford a balanced diet. Its only well-nourished people this talks about. Someone as yourself benefited because you were deficient, unlike the average Whole Foods shopper picking up her One-a-Day.

I don't take vitamins unless I am deficient (I think food-based nutrients are superior). I am also wary of them because I notice more psychiatrists putting patients on vitamin and amino acid therapy before pharmaceuticals. I don't know why, perhaps doctors are more enlightened now, but it just makes me pause an extra moment now.

C-JEAN
And, WHO paid the doctors for their "study" ??????

== Follow the money == ?

The first study mentioned in the article, "Vitamin and Mineral Supplements in the Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease and Cancer: An Updated Systematic Evidence Review for the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force," was primarily funded by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (source), which is part of the US Department of Health and Human Services.

The second study, "Long-Term Multivitamin Supplementation and Cognitive Function in Men: A Randomized Trial," was primarily funded by the National Institutes of Health, BASF, Pfizer, and DSM Nutritional Products (source).

The third study, "Oral High-Dose Multivitamins and Minerals After Myocardial Infarction: A Randomized Trial," was primarily funded by the National Institutes of Health (source).

Note that the second study received funding from Pfizer and DSM Nutritional Products. Pfizer produces and profits off of vitamins (they make the popular Centrum line of multivitamins, for one). DSM Nutritional Products "is one of the world's leading suppliers of vitamins, carotenoids and other ingredients to the feed, food, pharmaceutical and personal care industries" (source). Yet, the study's conclusion was that "In male physicians aged 65 years or older, long-term use of a daily multivitamin did not provide cognitive benefits" (source).

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Great post in finding the funding sources. Should be pointed out that these studies looked at people 65 and older who were put on the vitamins at that age, so cumulative effects were not studied for younger people. I remember that Linus Pauling came to vitamin C at age 65, and then lived another 28 years, and credited C with his longevity.

Off topic, but U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond gave up eating sugar when he was 65, and lived to be 101 with some personal credit given to his sugarless diet.

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I totally agree with this statement:

supplementing the diet of well-nourished adults with (most) mineral or vitamin supplements has no clear benefit and might even be harmful

I also think it's monumentally stupid for affluenzics to rely on magic pills of any kind. But that's just my opinion.