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Can a person sue the Church?

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posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 10:49 PM
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Quauhtli
Can you say for certain that this lurking struggle you speak of that was happening in the back of your mind hasn't been partly responsible for bringing balance to your life?

You are here seeking answers. Is not that inherent lack of balance what brought you to seek the answers?

Wouldn't you rather be someone who digs for the real truth as opposed to someone who blindly accepts what they are told?

Maybe that was the whole point... I'm betting that you've somehow turned out to be someone who knows the true measure and consequences of their actions.


Not at all to say that I agree in any way with organized religion, but stories of the boogeyman have probably been a part of raising children since we first explored the use of language.

Could you sue the internet because porn ruined your marriage?



I like your post. I really do.


As for suing porn, well, it isn't an organised structure of belief.

Well, not for me, anyway.




posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 11:03 PM
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You would be a slave Neo...



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 11:31 PM
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SisyphusRide
You would be a slave Neo...




Except for what?



That I can see the slave masters tools?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:02 AM
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be all that you can be, find your future!

in the Republic...



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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Unrealised
Thirty three years ago, I was born.

I was told by my mother that if I am a good boy, good things will happen. I was given a healthy view of the world.

In my mind, I was free.

When I was six, I started kindergarten. Even though I was a student in a public school, we had weekly scripture. We were taught about God, Jesus, Heaven and Hell. Our lessons taught us about the blood sacrifice of Jesus, that he died for our sins. I never understood what they were talking about.

I was a good boy.

Regarding Hell, I was taught that if I did not believe in God and Jesus, I would be tormented by Demons, monsters that revelled in my suffering, forever. I was told that Satan was always after me, hiding in every part of the world, ready to fool me.

He was everywhere.

Growing up, I didn't see the logic in the belief system of the Christians, the Catholics or any religion.

But in the back of my mind, the guilt burned away at me.

Everything I did, said and thought, in the back of my mind I always heard the whispered words, 'what if?'

What if.

The fear and guilt was deep on me, burrowed in like a cancer of the mind. I couldn't get rid of it, because if I thought about it, I would hear, 'what if God is real?'

Religion is the perfect weapon.

It has crept behind and inside my my entire life. I don't want anything to do with its creeping ideas, and yet it refuses to let go. The meme is too powerful.

Has a person ever been so defiant, so driven by their torment, that they have dared to challenge the Church and everything it has done to them?

My mind has been damaged, albeit, subtly, by a disgusting tool of the most sinister criminals of our race.


Is there a voice I can raise? Are there avenues so untraveled?

Can a victim of the Church sue them for a lifetime of inner torment, stress and lost happiness?
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Fits the definition of psychological abuse.

Å99



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:09 AM
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So you'd rather believe a lie and try to sue the truth?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:22 AM
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badgerprints

Unrealised
Thirty three years ago, I was born.

Can a victim of the Church sue them for a lifetime of inner torment, stress and lost happiness?
edit on 8-12-2013 by Unrealised because: (no reason given)


Not to put too fine a point on it but that was about as self indulgent a take on religion as any I've ever heard.
Oliver twist should eat his heart out.

You're a 33 year old man. Act like you have a pair.
Or just sit down and have a good cry about it and move on.



This is an example of the perp-blames-victim mentality that is the scourge of so-called Christian Love...the same catchcry of the echelons of the greater church supposedly investigating the demonic practices perpetrated on innocent children by the hands and private parts of 'men of God'...abuse, includes psychological abuse, otherwise, abuse laws around the western world would not be so prescriptive...it is the law...and the flippant 'act like you got a pair' is ignorance and lack of love personified.

Å99



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:27 AM
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how about this, can a person sue their own mother for giving birth to them? Now that's a question ha ha



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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spartacus699
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So you'd rather believe a lie and try to sue the truth?


Religion, with Jesus and God at the helm?


Is that your truth?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 01:16 AM
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spartacus699
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how about this, can a person sue their own mother for giving birth to them? Now that's a question ha ha



Being biologically created naturally has nothing to do with being force fed a belief system as a young child, by people employed to do so.


Thank you.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:57 AM
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you've never seen your heart but you know it's there because of circumstancial evidence. You've never been to dubai but you know it's there because of the same. There's enough circumstancial evidence to prove that there's some kind of creator or God. If he talked to you directly it would ruine your freewill and ability to have faith. You can' choose what you choose now if he showed up. Well you could but you most likely wouldn't as you'd have the proof you need.



I'm not saying anymore
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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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spartacus699
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you've never seen your heart but you know it's there because of circumstancial evidence. You've never been to dubai but you know it's there because of the same. There's enough circumstancial evidence to prove that there's some kind of creator or God. If he talked to you directly it would ruine your freewill and ability to have faith. You can' choose what you choose now if he showed up. Well you could but you most likely wouldn't as you'd have the proof you need.



I'm not saying anymore
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Circumstantial evidence proves the existence of God?

How?

I have a heart and I can feel it beat, or is that the power of God flowing through me?





I have my own beliefs, but they are not what I was taught by the bible bashes when I was a kid.

They gave me the thorn in my side.

Don't you see?






I don't want their God.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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As a man, I understand what true freedom is.


You sure do,

pity that is nowhere to seen in your OP




Can a victim of the Church sue them for a lifetime of inner torment, stress and lost happiness?


So your are money hungry? Not actually after any justice if there was injustice?


If there was wrong doing and you suffered torment from it how is suing and getting money going to resolve that torment suffered?





Has a person ever been so defiant, so driven by their torment, that they have dared to challenge the Church and everything it has done to them?


I believe the Character known as Jesus was this defiant towards the claimed authorities of his time,

I don't think torment was the driving force, just a misinterpretation by the authorities that is used to manipulate the masses.

He just wanted to point out the truth that we are free and all gods children if we allow freedom to progress instead imposing authority on that which we have none on what so ever.




My OP was a question about suing the church for implanting religious ideas in children which stay with them for life, even if that person doesn't want them to.


And you are surprised by the responses,

You sound like you are conflicted and know not what to believe.

You are only asking because there is that question still lingering asking what if it is real?




A man simply wanted to hear a simple yes, no or maybe, and the reasons or theories why.



Well a man can converse with himself if he so pleases,

I do



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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Unrealised

spartacus699
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So you'd rather believe a lie and try to sue the truth?


Religion, with Jesus and God at the helm?


Is that your truth?


Liberty and Justice with God at the helm...



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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Unrealised
A man simply wanted to hear a simple yes, no or maybe, and the reasons or theories why.


Yet you deemed it proper to add all the rest about your broken life for us to wade through. If your REAL question is simply, "Can I sue the church." then the answer is, Sure, you can sue anyone or any entity for any trivial issue you can dream up. So, technically, yes, you can sue the church. But that's pedantic and only for those who would insist on a literal answer. Your real question is probably along the lines of, "Can I sue the church and win" based on what you said here.

And the answer to that is, "No."



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:07 PM
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Then your whole thread here is pointless. No, you really cant sue a church...which one? Main branch? Corner by the party store? The one in Greece? The one in Rome? Silly.

No one chained you to any pew. You couldve left a long, long time ago. No one kept you prisoner. If you really had doubts way back when, you'd have split.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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mysterioustranger
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Then your whole thread here is pointless. No, you really cant sue a church...which one? Main branch? Corner by the party store? The one in Greece? The one in Rome? Silly.

No one chained you to any pew. You couldve left a long, long time ago. No one kept you prisoner. If you really had doubts way back when, you'd have split.



Pathetic response. It just shows you haven't read anything.



It was taught to me in school, as a side class. My parents didn't know it was being taught. It went on for about two years, in kindergarten and the first grade, and then stopped.






I was never a member of any church.




Read the actual posts.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:03 PM
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InhaleExhale
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As a man, I understand what true freedom is.


You sure do,

pity that is nowhere to seen in your OP




Can a victim of the Church sue them for a lifetime of inner torment, stress and lost happiness?


So your are money hungry? Not actually after any justice if there was injustice?




Suing somebody doesn't mean you are after money, unless you are, which I couldn't care less about.




Suing somebody is making somebody responsible for a crime in court.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 09:32 PM
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Then, one of us is confused. Ive certainly read the posts. I also had 8 years of nuns beating the religion crap into me. Enough that I left the church on my own as a teen...and found my own way.

Sue the church? You had issues because of you...not them. No one twisted your bible but you...you could have moved along anytime...

Just saying...kinda silly thought to sue a church...unless it was some kind cult that kept you prisoner..but...
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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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akushla99

badgerprints

Unrealised
Thirty three years ago, I was born.

Can a victim of the Church sue them for a lifetime of inner torment, stress and lost happiness?
edit on 8-12-2013 by Unrealised because: (no reason given)


Not to put too fine a point on it but that was about as self indulgent a take on religion as any I've ever heard.
Oliver twist should eat his heart out.

You're a 33 year old man. Act like you have a pair.
Or just sit down and have a good cry about it and move on.



This is an example of the perp-blames-victim mentality that is the scourge of so-called Christian Love...the same catchcry of the echelons of the greater church supposedly investigating the demonic practices perpetrated on innocent children by the hands and private parts of 'men of God'...abuse, includes psychological abuse, otherwise, abuse laws around the western world would not be so prescriptive...it is the law...and the flippant 'act like you got a pair' is ignorance and lack of love personified.

Å99


An act of love?
Grown man gets all weepy and blames the church for the fact that he's unhappy.
If anyone around him loves him they'll tell him to quit riding the self pity train and get on with life.
Sue the church?
Can I sue society for all of the whiny babies that want to sit around bleeding their hearts out because not enough people love them?

I gave him my sympathy but he wanted empathy.
Guess what?
EMPATHY IS WASTED ON THE SELF INDULGENT.
Love is too, for that matter.

Enjoy your emo party.



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