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That's a very specific version of creationism you're arguing against there, and is not what all creationists believe......is it
I can understand your need to remove yourself from certain literal interpretations of the bible, afterall it makes claims that couldn't possibly be true and are incredibly silly and you want to keep you're beliefs as sane as possible.
reply to post by WarminIndy
What? A dishonest creationist? here? never!
Are you going to continue to argue points I never made while ignoring the points I did make in reply to your claims?
I never said Maciej Giertych was not a scientist, infact if you remember I said his credentials are unquestionable.
Michael Behe is also a scientist, one called as a primary witness in the Kitzmiller v Dover case where his testimony proved nothing less than devastating to the defense....
Ok, since they are both good enough for you to accept as scientists, then what's wrong with them believing intelligent design?
Can we at least discuss their contributions to science without resorting back to "oh, they are Creation scientists that should be avoided"...Do you not see how this idea permeates from the atheist and non-Creation groups when it comes to science?
Either accept Intelligent Design and Creation Scientists as real scientist or say that you don't. But what you cannot do any longer is say they are not scientists, and since I made that point that you have to accept them as scientists, then let's hear what these scientists are saying.
As Giertyc and Behe are Intelligent Design scientists, then what is the problem with their lack of belief in evolution? Are you arguing with me or are you arguing with the science? Since you can't argue with the science, then I suppose you have to accept that Intelligent Design is as reasonable as evolution, wouldn't you say?
Creationists base their beliefs on what the Bible says, then attempt to find explanations for how that's possible, and if they can't find any, then they're left with putting it down to God's omnipotence, so, yes, that is what all creationists believe.
Creationism is the religious belief that life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being.
My personal belief is that the natural world, and everything in it, was created by processes that have been in motion for billions of years. The only difference between your position and mine is that you believe everything exists as a result of random chance, I believe it was planned.
reply to post by ManFromEurope
Did you notice the Polish scientist in my comment? Well now, he's pretty European, I would think. And he's a pretty good scientist too...and he does not believe in evolution. Whaaa?? A scientist from Europe, that does not believe in evolution?
Maybe you should read his peer-reviewed journals and debunk that pretty smart European scientist?
Oh, do you have a link for your peer-reviewed articles on your peer-reviewed experiments? This, I should like to see.
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Mount Everest didn't exist until after the flood waters receded.
Anyway my reply wasn't directed to you so please don't pretend like it was, it is annoying.edit on 24-11-2013 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Prezbo369
So, instead of rationally discussing the issues associated with Creationism / Intelligent Design, you'd prefer to just make an ad hominem attack and claim superiority over everyone who doesn't agree with you?
M'kay, you have fun with that.