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g146541
reply to post by IAMTAT
A politician lied, and you think that can keep them from office?
How do you tell when a politician is lying?
The body is warm.
On Obamacare, Hillary was for it before leading Republicans were against it
It shouldn't be too surprising that someone dug up a Hillary Clinton quotation in which she affirmed support for the key principles of Obamacare even before Barack Obama was elected president.
The reason it shouldn't be surprising is that Obamacare is essentially identical to what was known as "Hillarycare" back when she proposed it as head of a special task force set up by her hubby Bill shortly after he was elected president.
When she was last a candidate for president in 2007, Hillary Clinton unveiled her own health care proposal, which, like Obamacare, included beefed-up benefits and a catchy pitch: "If you have a plan you like, you keep it." Obama went on to defeat Clinton, but he adopted her tag line to help win support for his own health care plan -- making the same promise, for which he recently apologized.
"You can keep the doctors you know and trust. You keep the insurance you have," Clinton said on Sept. 17, 2007, at the Broadlawns Medical Center in Des Moines, Iowa. "If you have private insurance you like, nothing changes — you can keep that insurance."
Clinton's campaign website echoed that claim. "If you have a plan you like, you keep it," it read.
Now, I have no objection to Senator Clinton thinking that her approach is superior. But the fact of the matter is, is that if, as we've heard tonight, we still don't know how Senator Clinton intends to enforce a mandate, and if we don't know the level of subsidies that she's going to provide, then you can have a situation which we're seeing right now in the state of Massachusetts, where people are being fined for not having purchased health care but choose to accept the fine because they still can't afford it even with the subsidies.
And they are then worse off. They then have no health care and are paying a fine above and beyond that
muse7
Outside of the echo-chamber most of the U.S views the Tea Party/ Republicans as right wing nuts
TKDRL
I doubt it. Obama got caught in plenty of lies in his first term, and somehow still got in office again. Unless the MSM hammers her over and over, and drill it in idiots heads... A majority of people will be too dumb to realize they are voting for another pile of crap. For them, they will just be voting for the "historical first woman in office", after the "historical first black man in office". Looking for back to back "minority wins", I think that will seal the deal for most peons really.edit on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:44:50 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
TKDRL
reply to post by theantediluvian
How many women are in government? That is why I say a minority, not to mention never had one in "the big office". Hard to understand now what I mean?
All 3rd party candidates are ex-republican? That is completely absurd and ignorant as hell......
My solution? Stop voting for idiots that have proven themselves idiots in office time and time again. It is a fairly simple concept.
muse7
Outside of the echo-chamber most of the U.S views the Tea Party/ Republicans as right wing nuts
Hillary will win in a land slide
MrSpad
If Hillary makes it through the DNC primary she will win an easy election. Even if the GOP settles its civil war, and that seems unlikely, they will still just be in early stages of rebuilding and hard push back to the center. Until the Tea Party eliminates those distasteful RINOs the conservative movement will be unable to re-establish it's position as a national party. In fact we could see the party split up and collapse.
Hillary has already proven herself inept in these endeavors and TPTB are going for the throat.