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Ahh you are in the land of the free (sarcasm), i am in England, maybe your laws operate different than to over here, even though we gave you the legal system you operate under.
Inalienable rights cannot be taken, not talking is an inalienable right, they cannot force you to say anything.....unless you are in Guantanamo.
Even if you are guilty as sin, caught in the act of some crime...you can say nothing, even when apprehended and initially questioned. By them telling you your rights they are ensuring you have a choice, tell us stuff and we will use it against you, or stay silent and we will have to do a load more work.
A corporation is a "person" for purposes of the constitutional guarantees of equal protection of laws and Due Process of Law
reply to post by AmberLeaf
Not according to the supreme court.
Until Miranda is read to you the only way to not answer them legally is to invoke the fifth.
Anything else will be percieved and treated as an admission of guilt in court of law.
We are not free and I am beginning to doubt we ever were.
As bad as things seem now, you will look back on all this in a decade and fondly reminise about how the police ONLY shot children they THOUGHT had a toy gun...or about how they used to only taser the disabled 31 TIMES while strapped to a bed...or that police only raped suspects they felt "deserved" it.
As nightmarish as any of those examples sounded, the only thing the state has in store for humanity will make you long for some good old fashioned police brutality.
Just wait till we start getting sent to FEMA camps for disbelieving state propaganda...
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Try using that Admiralty law stuff in a real court room and see how far you get. The whole, "I choose not to board the ship" nonsense is just that, nonsense.
If you're guilty, no fancy wordplay about common law, admiralty law or "natural person" will help you. If anything it will only prolong the inevitable.
Hope Steffey was then taken to the county jail and forcibly strip-searched by 6 to 7 male and female deputies, despite Stark County´s own policy which states that a strip search must be conducted by a same sex officer. She was left in a cell for 6 hours with no clothing or even a blanket and eventually wrapped herself in toilet tissue for warmth and modesty. She was not allowed a phone call or medical attention and when she was later taken to booking, she was given only a small weighted vest to cover her nudity. She was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.
NEVER talk to any official of any sort.
Even to give a witness statement, have an attorney write it for you.
Anything you say can and WILL be used against you.
reply to post by Eryiedes
The Supreme Court (or SCOTUS for the acronym minded) has decided that we the people no longer have the right to remain silent.
Due process is dead.
Habeas Corpus is a road block to the ever increasing tyranny of a government fearful of it's citizens.
There are so many laws now in the USA that NO ONE can go 24 hours WITHOUT breaking one and so conversely, the police (on the advice of top legal experts) should be avoided at all costs.
This is NOT a joke.
This is NOT a movie.
This is the story of your enslavement...but it's up to YOU to give this story a happy ending.
Personally, I have seen how law enforcement has changed between the 1960s/70s (think Andy of Mayberry and Adam-12) and what we see today. Cops now are more like para-military and their approach is less civil and more about total control. As someone who saw his (late) brother as a cop in Marietta, Ga. (US) and a step-daughter today who recently graduated from police academy, I don't take the subject lightly.
Our concept of 'peace officers' was once quite unique; each city/community had their own force, then there were the state police. We've never had a national police force. The FBI has (or 'had') never tried to overstep. As such, the cops in your town or city were local people who lived as your neighbors. They worked for the same end goals as those who paid taxes that paid them to 'serve and protect'.
That is now history... and unless We the People reverse this trend... we are in for the same kind of experience known to history from Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China, etc.
The US Supreme Court was never intended to be a body that could stomp our constitution. Their job was to fill in the gaps the constitution didn't clearly cover. They were the bridge between the federal and the states...
There was a thread here a few nights back where it was submitted that the SCOTUS could legally rip down the 2nd amendment and that the people would be bound to obey. I disagree with that...
When I was young, I remember the police being friendly and helpful. Today, as I near 60 years old, I am keenly aware that local police have terrorized many of my friends and family members--most of whom live in small towns. By terrorize, I mean getting warrants based on an informant's information (usually a young junkie providing info about pot possession/sales in exchange for reduced sentence) that leads to masked police officers breaking into homes and looking for anything they can find --pot, guns, it doesn't matter if you have them legally (medical marijuana card, prescription for pain meds, license for gun) or not, the cops will do their best to criminalize and dehumanize their victims.
I know this--today's local cops are not here to serve or protect--they are here to terrorize. Period.
That said, I am not a sovereign but I am looking into the success rates of its legal interpretations in a true court of law.
In May 2010, two police officers in West Memphis, Arkansas were shot and killed by Joseph T. Kane after Kane and his father were the subject of a traffic stop. Kane and his father were later identified as members of the sovereign citizen movement.
In September 2010, David Russell Myrland, an associate of a sovereign citizens group, sent emails and placed telephone calls to various officials of the City of Kirkland, Washington, telling them to "keep their doors unlocked", that they were going to be arrested, and that they "should not resist". Myrland also reportedly threatened federal judges and the chief prosecutor of King County, Washington. Myrland's threat to arrest the mayor of Kirkland came about after he was arrested by police. His vehicle had been impounded after he was found driving with a suspended license and expired vehicle-license tabs. An unloaded gun with ammunition nearby had been found on the seat of the car. Although he was not a law enforcement officer, Myrland had claimed that he had the authority to form a group of private citizens to arrest felons in public office "as permitted by RCW 9A.16.020" (the state statute governing lawful use of force). On December 2, 2011, Myrland was sentenced to three years and four months in federal prison after pleading guilty in connection with the threats he made, including the threat to forcibly arrest the mayor of Kirkland, Washington.
In March 2011, a central figure in the sovereign citizen movement named Samuel Lynn Davis pleaded guilty to 31 counts of money laundering in Federal district court in Nevada. Davis was snared in a sting operation after he agreed to launder more than $1.29 million in what he believed to be illicit funds. Davis accepted $73,782 fees to launder the money, not realizing he was dealing with Federal law enforcement agents. In October 2011, Davis was sentenced to four years and nine months in Federal prison, and was ordered to pay over $95,000 in restitution. As of late July 2012, Davis was classified as a fugitive, having failed to surrender to authorities to begin his prison sentence in June 2012. On August 7, 2012, Davis was arrested by sheriff's deputies in White Earth, North Dakota.
In September 2011, Edward and Elaine Brown, serving long federal prison sentences for various crimes, were identified by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as being members of the sovereign citizen movement.
On November 4, 2011, a federal jury in Montgomery, Alabama found Monty Ervin guilty of conspiracy to defraud the United States and tax evasion. His wife Patricia Ervin was also found guilty of various related charges. According to a news release by the U.S. Department of Justice, Ervin and his wife had acquired hundreds of investment properties over a ten-year period, had received more than $9 million in rental income, but had paid nothing in federal income taxes. The Ervins reportedly claimed that they were not United States citizens, that they were “sovereigns,” and that they did not consider themselves subject to federal or state law. Ervin and his wife had also filed documents in probate court attempting to renounce their U.S. citizenship. In one filing, Ervin declared himself to be the governor of Alabama in its “original jurisdiction.” On May 29, 2012, Monty Ervin was sentenced to ten years in prison, and Patricia Ervin was sentenced to five years of probation, with the condition that she spend 40 consecutive weekends in jail.
In December 2011, Shawn Talbot Rice was arrested at his home at Seligman, Arizona, after a ten-hour standoff with FBI agents and other law enforcement personnel. On July 24, 2012, Rice was found guilty in federal court in Nevada in connection with the same money-laundering scheme that resulted in the conviction of Samuel Lynn Davis. The guilty verdicts came on one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, thirteen counts of money laundering, and four counts of failure to appear in court in connection with time that Rice spent as a fugitive. Rice, who had also falsely claimed to be a lawyer and a rabbi, was described as "a leader in the anti-government 'sovereign citizens' movement." During the trial, Rice tried to argue that the presiding federal judge had no authority to render a judgment against Rice. On March 20, 2013, Rice was sentenced to 8 years and 2 months in prison, and was ordered to forfeit over $1.29 million.