posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 07:07 AM
You might also want to read the text of the gospels a little closer next time before you start generalising like that.
Are you saying that R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean ("Jeezizz" to the average "English-Speaking Christian") merely "morally" armed his
disciples with "moral" swords on a "moral hill" during Pesach of AD 36, and that the slave of the high priest's ear was "morally" cut off by
one of his armed disciples?
Or perhaps the 4 council approved "canonical gospels" are perhaps echoing something "really historical" (albeit midrashically expanded by Isaiah
53 and Psalms 22 and the Wisdom of Solomon chapter 1 in view of the "criterion of embarassment") that "really happened" on a "real hill (like for
example, a "real" crucifixion with "real" nails hammered into "real" wrists by "real" Romans)?
The horrors of a Roman Crucifixion was a SPECIFIC punishment for "political" sedition against the State, especially armed seditionists with Daviddic
blood. During the Jewish War (AD 66-72) when the Judaean Messianists saw the Humiliation and later Revolt of Queen Boudigga in AD 61 [in Sussex and
"Lonidinium" ] as well as other sporadic revolts in the "provinces" of the Roman Empire ---together with the evident political weakness in the
Roman Government looming in the Capital under the "Divine Emperor Nero", armed rebellion broke out all over Palestine, and the first to be targeted
were the Davvids.
(ditto for the "Bar Kosiba-Kohba" Revolt 100 in AD 136, years to the day of the Revolt of "Jesus" in AD 36, led by another of his relatives from
the Daviddic line).
Remember the Time Line:
Macabeean Revolt against Syrain Greek Rule 163 BC: 100 years of "freedom":
Pompey's Occupation of Judaea BC 63: 100 years of "Roman Occupation" :
"Jesus" announcing that the TIMES OF THE GENTILES IS FULFILLED and THESE BE THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE (Luke) arming his disciples with "real swords"
in a revolt against Rome during a passover in AD 36 = 100 years to the day of Pompey's Occupation of Jerusalem
The 2nd Jewish War under the Bar Kokhba Revolt of AD136, 100 years to the day of the Revolt of "Jesus"....
This is NOT A COINCIDENCE, but a highly strict POLITICAL-HISTORICAL TIME LINE IN THE MINDS OF THE JUDAEAN & GALILEAN JEWS
It has very little to do with "morality" but with political reality.
YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE LIFE OF R. YEHOSHUA bar YOSEF the Galilean OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF THE ROMAN OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE.
Even phrases like "to him who would strike you on the right cheek, turn to him the other" is a phrase derived from Galilean Aramaic which means "be
defiant, let them know who you are" : i.e. striking a person on the right cheek requires a SLAP WITH THE BACK OF THE HAND, which to a conquored or
"occupied" people (modern Iraqi's spring to mind) is a MIDDLE EASTERN INSULT. By turning the face in the other direction, R. Yehoshua was
basically instructing his constituents ("grass roots") to make their Roman Oppressors AWARE of what they are doing.
Ditto for "carrying the load two miles instead of one": a Roman Soldier would be flogged with 10 stripes if he ever forced someone to carry a burden
more than one mile: R. Yehoshua is here again supporting some kind of passive resistance----getting a soldier in trouble "will make him think twice"
before grabbing some one out of the crowd to carry a package (in accordance with Roman law).
These are POLITICAL acts, not merely "moral"ones (although all political acts carry with them moral undertones, I will grant you that).
The Gospels circulated AFTER THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT (Ad 66-72), and softened the War Rhetoric of their leader, but some of the original messaging was
left here and there.
Of course, you have to read the Gospels "closely" in order to find these things out, because the Church whitewashed the "political" overtones
against Rome out of the tradition as best they could, to the extent that most modern "Christians" especially in the West (who are mostly ignorant of
1st century Palestinian and Roman history) are blissfully unaware that these political undertones to the narratives they read in "church" ever