Government Benefit Recipients Outnumber Full-Time Workers

reply to post by xuenchen


Define your terms

What is a government benefit?

The Home Mortgage deduction?
The Child Tax Credit?

Well the government is not the ones putting people out of work, and I am pretty sure that the elitists don't want a communist society where all their ill-gotten gains are confiscated. What you are actually seeing here is a result of the rich looting the system, and taking advantage of their wealth to gain further wealth at our expense. The majority of money today is made by individuals or small groups who make money off money, they don't produce anything, and so they don't pay back into the system, or have to “trickle back” to any significant number of employees.

buster2010
Maybe we can fix it by giving companies that send jobs overseas more tax breaks. Obama tried to give breaks to companies to bring jobs back to the states but the GOP blocked that one. So how does the GOP propose to fix this? Seeing how they didn't like Obama's idea.

Tax breaks?

We should do away with internal taxation altogether, both for individual citizens and businesses.

Programs like social security should be optional.
Paying into welfare should be optional.

Getting rid of taxation on the individual would give them more of their pay to use for necessities.

If the government needs to generate revenue, they can do so by imposing heavy tariffs on trade items. They've done it before, they can do it again. Tax foreigners for the privilege of doing business on American soil.

That would give US companies the incentive to bring back all of the manufacturing jobs that we've lost. Also, foreign companies would no longer have to internally compete with US businesses. We could begin competing internationally, and the US could once again be a country that produces something other than burger flippers.

Children don’t vote, of course, and most of them don’t hold jobs. So if you’re making a point about welfare recipients outvoting wage-earners — a common conservative theme that we thought was probably implied in the chain email — kids don’t factor in neatly.

That would be a factoid to consider? A Welfare recipient can be 1 month old and not eligible to work?

Can you tell me how many of those "recipients" are children?

Am still waiting for a list of what qualifies as recipients of government benefits?

Our ruling

Ripping off a map that was created for a different fiscal comparison, the chain email said 11 states had more residents on welfare than employed.

By either a broad definition of welfare or a narrow one, experts told us that’s a false and even "extreme" statement. Pants on Fire!

www.politifact.com...

reply to post by Indigo5


it's all here;

Census Bureau excel file

it's an excel table spreadsheet.


the 108 million is;

One or more means-tested programs (1) (2)
Public or subsidized rental housing
Federal Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
Food stamps (3)
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
Other cash assistance
Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)
Medicaid

People getting these total 151 million (half the population)

Received benefits from one or more programs
Social Security
Railroad Retirement
Veterans' compensation
Unemployment compensation
Workers' compensation
Veterans' educational assistance
Medicare

ColCurious
reply to post by Dfairlite

 

I guess the language barrier is truly a barrier sometimes, especially in text.
I should have anwered more differentiated but you struck me as the stereotypical egocentric 'Murican, so I didn't bother.

Anyways... you're incorrect that we can only uphold our systems solely because of "U.S. consumerism" and our dual apprenticeship system (the most important educational column) doesn't need any subsidies (I'm personally by no means a fan of all our systems by the way).
Also, the economic downturn of 08-/10 here wasn't that bad, and you're wrong about the root causes, although those did originate in the U.S. as we all know.

I'm way too tired to write a proper reply right now, so you have to make do with a link to a thread I made about Germany during the GFC: Deny your ignorance about Germany

By no means am I an egocentric american. We absolutely need to let countries be, but your countries also need to become more self reliant. Right now you are not capable of dealing with a nuclear Iran, and you're in a much closer proximity than we are.

I don't buy the war on terror. It's a bunch of BS. That said, the chaos in the middle east is knocking on your door. I love germany, and the german people are very industrious and capable, but willfully kept down, not by america, but the global elite. They want this global economy, which keeps all of us subservient.

xuenchen

People getting these total 151 million (half the population)
Received benefits from one or more programs
Social Security
Railroad Retirement
Veterans' compensation
Unemployment compensation
Workers' compensation
Veterans' educational assistance
Medicare

Veterans Compensation?

Received benefits from one or more programs 151,014
Social Security 49,901
Railroad Retirement 364
Veterans' compensation 3,178
Unemployment compensation 5,098
Workers' compensation 680
Veterans' educational assistance 34
Medicare 46,440
One or more means-tested programs (1) (2) 108,592
Public or subsidized rental housing 13,433
Federal Supplemental Security Income (SSI) 20,223
Food stamps (3) 49,073
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) 5,854
Other cash assistance 4,957
Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) 23,228
Medicaid 82,457

Here is how the numbers have been spun..

First off ..Veterans Comp? Medicare? Social Security? etc...

These are not welfare programs.

TANF and Food Stamps are the standard measure.

Secondly...you need to exclude those who can not work if you are to compare to working population.

Otherwise...these numbers include babies and the elderly and disabled.

This is bias...everything but the kitchen sink math.

It is why Politifact have called similar claims "Pants on Fire"

reply to post by Indigo5

Received benefits from one or more programs 151,014

Social Security 49,901
Railroad Retirement 364
Veterans' compensation 3,178
Unemployment compensation 5,098
Workers' compensation 680
Veterans' educational assistance 34
Medicare 46,440
_____________________________________


One or more means-tested programs (1) (2) 108,592

Public or subsidized rental housing 13,433
Federal Supplemental Security Income (SSI) 20,223
Food stamps (3) 49,073
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) 5,854
Other cash assistance 4,957
Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) 23,228
Medicaid 82,457

Here is how the numbers have been spun..

First off ..Veterans Comp? Medicare? Social Security? etc...

These are not welfare programs.

Those are not included in the 108 million count.

TANF and Food Stamps are the standard measure.

Secondly...you need to exclude those who can not work if you are to compare to working population.

Otherwise...these numbers include babies and the elderly and disabled.

This is bias...everything but the kitchen sink math.

It is why Politifact have called similar claims "Pants on Fire"

why "exclude" anybody ? All people are citizens and are getting a sum of money based on their individual existence. If they weren't "real", then there would be no statistic.

It's all about means-tested programs regardless of any re-defined conditions.

The issue is focusing on real total numbers, not assumptions and sub-comparisons.



[ almost sounds like the annual deficit spending being compared to GDP ]

Dfairlite
I don't buy the war on terror. It's a bunch of BS.

Every war declared since WWII has been misdirection (even to some degree the Korean War). You hardly even have to look to see it in hindsight. That's why the world hates Amerika ... and for just cause. Americans are finally waking up to this. What success has been found in The War on Poverty or The War on Drugs?

Dfairlite
That said, the chaos in the middle east is knocking on your door.

I would say the chaos from the ME has already taken up residence in the guest room.