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35Foxtrot
reply to post by FreeMason
Or... He wrote the story after God changed his name but he just never finished it (or the rest of it was lost, or whatever). I have no answer re: the Sarai thing. Maybe he started getting all Alzheimer-y. Maybe he liked calling her Sarai cuz it turned that old man on. Who knows.?
My question to you, however, is why do you seem to care so much about whatever someone chooses to take on faith? I think the whole Mormon story is made up by some guy with some weird ideas. But, if Mormons aren't throwing rocks at you or declaring Jihad against the non-believers, who cares?
35Foxtrot
reply to post by FreeMason
OK, Mr. Hackman. See, I'd go with someone like Steve McQueen if I had to draw movie star equivalencies to my existence. But, this ain't the movies.
Look, I'm Catholic. However, I feel no need to disprove others' honestly held beliefs - despite the history of Catholicism (or maybe because of it). If they ask me, I will explain what I believe and why. It's up to them to accept what I was taught is the "true religion." I can't make them come to God. I can't make them believe their god isn't the "right" one. I can only share what I believe and why, and hope they make the right choice.
If your goal is to "disprove" Mormonism and save all those Mormons from their Poseidon-like religion, all you're gonna accomplish is, for the most part, to bring about reactionary defense of Mormonism by those who do believe in it. Sure, I see your point. Mormonism is silly. They're not going to Heaven like you are. I agree to a point. But pointing out this silliness or wrong-headedness or contradictory story is just going to reinforce those opinions already held by non-Mormons. It's not going to change the minds of any real Mormons and, as such, works against your stated goal of showing them the way out of the capsized, sinking vessel.
vimeo.com...
35Foxtrot
reply to post by FreeMason
No but I'm pretty sure that Jesus (as God) would not be cool with your refuting based on your personal beliefs. As I pointed out in my first reply here, there are a few fairly reasonable explanations to your irrefutable proof that Mormonism is kooky - and a butt-load of barely reasonable ones that believers will be happy to provide. You wanna believe Mormonism is for dum-dums, cool. As I said, I think it's a silly story put together by a weird guy. But, I'm not gonna denigrate another's faith based on my theories. Especially when my theories have some sizeable holes in them as yours do.
Besides, if you want to point out inconsistencies in writings, the Bible is probably a good place to start.
Look, if I offended you, sorry. It just seemed weird to me that you'd concentrate on this semi-fringe cult when you've got the 800 lb gorilla of the Bible of the major guys to look at. My question was more out of curiosity as to why YOU felt the need to go after Mormons (thought maybe there'd be an interesting story there and I'm bored) specifically; not so much why we as humans should strive for truth wherever possible.
By the way, who was the big lady actress in Poseidon Adventure? I think her death scene was in the elevator? It's been a while since I've seen it.
S McQ
MichiganSwampBuck
The Book of Abraham, as translated by Joseph Smith, has been proven to be an Egyptian "Book of Breathings" funerary text after the translation of the Rosetta Stone allowed scholars to understand Egyptian text.
Of course you could disprove it with scripture, but seriously why bother?
I was an LDS member for years because my mother was a member and in my early years in the church I believed their stories. After reading up on the church's history and it's off shoots, I came to the conclusion that Joseph Smith was a con-man that P. T. Barnum would have had a lot in common with.
It is basically a good church from the perspective of their emphasis on family values, genealogy, and disaster prepping, but they are organized on the Masonic model and Joseph Smith was trying to become a theocratic king of his own country - a god on earth more or less.
I finally got out a number of years ago and have not looked back since.
My advice is if you want to be a Christian, then just read the parts of the N.T. the are JC's quotes and go from there.
MichiganSwampBuck
My advice is if you want to be a Christian, then just read the parts of the N.T. the are JC's quotes and go from there.
FlyersFan
MichiganSwampBuck
My advice is if you want to be a Christian, then just read the parts of the N.T. the are JC's quotes and go from there.
That's great advice. Peel away all the other stuff. It's unimportant and not necessary to Christianity. To be a Christian means to believe in Christ and try to follow what He said ... and what He said is 'love God and love your neighbor'. It was short and to the point ....
FreeMason
FlyersFan
MichiganSwampBuck
My advice is if you want to be a Christian, then just read the parts of the N.T. the are JC's quotes and go from there.
That's great advice. Peel away all the other stuff. It's unimportant and not necessary to Christianity. To be a Christian means to believe in Christ and try to follow what He said ... and what He said is 'love God and love your neighbor'. It was short and to the point ....
Bad advice If you want to start with NT Jesus sayings go ahead, but a lot of what Jesus says quotes the Old Testament.
But loving God and loving your Neighbor means spreading the Word of God to your neighbor, not very loving of you if all you do is build a fence together.
why do you seem to care so much about whatever someone chooses to take on faith?
Cathy O'Brien in Trance-Formation Of America says the Mormon operation in Salt Lake City is a major center for Illuminati trauma-based mind control. The Mormons were an Illuminati creation, as I mentioned earlier, and its founders were all high-level Freemasons and Merovingian bloodline. The Rothschilds supplied their funding. Joseph Smith founded the Mormons after an "angel" called Moroni appeared to him in 1823, as I outlined earlier.
The Mormon buildings are adorned with Illuminati symbols. The inverted pentagram, the most obvious of Satanic symbols, can be found on the Temple at Salt Lake City, on the Mormon museum nearby, and on other Mormon properties. The pentagram is used in rituals to summon demons in Satanism and, in its inverted form, is said to be the sign of "Satan", the Goat of Mendes, or Baphoment.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Who funded the Mormon Church in start-up mode was the Zionist group B'nai B'rith. Do the math. Who else would want a fanciful fiction about the Lost Tribe of Israel coming to America to claim it as theirs? Think on that one and you might better understand why the 2% of Jews in America think all of it belongs to them. Many Mormons even refer to Utah as the Land of Zion. Think on that one, too.
Not one of the 'magnificent cities' cited in the Book of Mormon has ever been found by archaeologists. The simple reason is they were never built; it is a fairy tale based on plagiarism, not a religious text. The purported founder of Mormonism was convicted of fraud and witch-craft (divining), but the Mormons conveniently skip over the true history of their founder Joseph Smith.
www.rense.com...
Joseph Smith, along with Hiram Smith and Brigham Young, were the key figures behind the creation of the Mormon religion. They were of the elite of the elite Illuminati bloodline, the Merovingian or "Holy Grail" line, and were all high degree Freemasons. They were also Satanists and formed their "church" as a front for Satanic activity which very much still goes on today. Why wouldn't it, that is what it is there for.
The Mormon empire was funded into existence by the Rothschilds through their Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution and Adolf Hitler, and yet again B'nai Brith, the Rothschild intelligence arm and defamer of genuine researchers, was involved." The Mormons were also created as a front for Satanism and, like the Watchtower Society, Enochian magic.
Rothschilds, Rockefeller & the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons
I told them my struggle is if you started with this (scripture), would you ever come up with your belief system? That is so hard to get from this book, if I just read this book... I can't get that from here, I can't get your mixing the book of mormon... here's my problem, I wouldn't come up with this whole theology if I started with this...
The author of this exceptionally clear & thoroughly documented book is an active, fourth-generation Mormon, a 34-year professional historian and Mormon-studies director at college-level religious institutes."
"The foundation events were rewritten by Joseph [Smith] and Oliver [Cowdery] and other early church officials .... This reworking made the stories more useful for missionary work and fellowshipping purposes. ... Is it right to tell religious allegories to adults as if they were literal history?" In short, this book recommends that practicing Mormons regard their foundation stories as inspirational fictions rather than as truthful history.
An Insider's View of Mormon Origins Amazon.com
THOUGHTS FROM READING An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins