Employers Advertising Jobs That Don't Exist in Reality

reply to post by FissionSurplus


Remarkably they were better known agencies like Monster.com, etc. All of the agencies displayed the ads for the positions but never any replies in a couple of years? He advertised nation wide as well as locally and stated that he was even willing to help with relocation expenses for the right people. Something fishy is going on..... where are all of those investigative reporters on these issues is what I'd like to know. Oh yeah, they're busy mollie coddling the occupants of the White House.....

reply to post by MrSpad


You are correct, I should have been clearer in my OP. Apparently, they choose 60,000 households to ask if they worked or not in any given week. Simultaneously they pick 500,000 employers to see if they have added or reduced jobs, according to this: 6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com...

Another source claims that only 160,000 businesses are surveyed. *Sigh*. Reporters cannot even get these numbers right.

However, consider the following: Extrapolating this data for the entire country is iffy, at best. Numbers can and are massaged to make things look better than they are.

Every monthly jobs report has a margin of error of plus or minus 100,000, so there's no meaningful difference between 120,000 and 205,000.

Why so much wiggle room? The surveys used to calculate jobs reports don't actually count every person in America -- that would be too hard for anyone to do every month. Instead, they use small samples, and extrapolate the results of those samples out to reflect how many jobs were probably created and what the unemployment rate probably is. Since there's a risk the bureau might survey a group of people not reflective of the entire nation, that extrapolation can't be done with precise numbers; just broad ranges.

The BLS gives an example. When it reports that 50,000 jobs were created in a month, what it's really saying is that there's a 90% chance that the monthly change was between -50,000 and +150,000.
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www.dailyfinance.com...

Even if the companies were honest with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, how honest is the BLS? Based on what we get from Uncle Sugar in the way of "information" and "facts", not very honest at ALL.

I still suspect that the gubmint encourages employers to advertise for jobs they know damned well do not exist, so that we get the sense that everything is fine. It isn't.

SCABS

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Immigrants have RUINED this country.......... and used the weapon of "that's racist" to carry it out!

AMERICA will CONTINUE TO FALL ! ! ! !

because the labor movement was built through blood, sweat, tears, YEARS, and LIVES!!

America ALLOWED IMMIGRANTS TO ------------> SCAB it ALL OUT!

Definitely something evil in the works in my field also...especially the last year.
Twenty-eight years of experience doesn't compute the same in this new "equation"...possibly women at low wages is part of it.

Nice thread!

I got tired of the job search run around and started my own companies LLCs and now I'm hiring qualified people starting at $10 an hr with benefits part time until you prove your worth. I never advertise in craigslist or anywhere else for open positions. If you aren't referred by one of my competitors, you can't apply. In my business we network with contemporaries in the same business or related industries. We share information and resources.

In this job market if you don't know how to effectively network you will be SOL. If you see a job and your skill set is lacking perhaps it's time for a little remedial education or an apprenticeship with little pay.

When I interview potential employees I look at attitude more than previous experience. Crybabies need not apply.

America is still the entrepreneurial center of the universe. You just have to be willing to get your hands dirty and put in the required effort. It's a lifestyle, not a profession.

reply to post by wasaka


You mean jobs on the strip, not strip dancing/pole dancing right? Because if was the later I would assume it would be fairly easy to get a job as a stripper in Vegas if you're hot and can dance.

Definitely something evil in the works in my field also...especially the last year.
Twenty-eight years of experience doesn't compute the same in this new "equation"...possibly women at low wages is part of it.

Nice thread!

reply to post by HanzHenry


If you are talking about illegal immigrants, I have to agree with that to a certain extent. If you are talking about legal immigrants who have gone through the proper channels and come here to contribute, I have to disagree for the most part. As I mentioned before, working as an H1B Visa processor, I came to the conclusion that it was the EMPLOYERS who were doing this. The EMPLOYERS were offering piss-poor wages and then petitioning for foreign workers to come fill them. EMPLOYERS were hiring illegals and then petitioning for the illegals to get a green card because they had been working for this employer for over a year.

EMPLOYERS are the ones who are destroying everything we have built. EMPLOYERS were admitting that they not only knowingly hired illegals and had them on the payroll at substandard wages, but that they were ballsy enough to petition the government to make their illegal legit, knowing that they would not be punished for basically breaking the law.

EMPLOYERS have destroyed unions, which created the middle class. Love 'em or hate 'em, unions definitely were the driving force to bring the vast majority of hard working blue collar Americans out of poverty and into car and home ownership.

I am angry at many of these companies, who were so concerned with their bottom line that they broke laws and deliberately offered horribly low wages that they knew no American could accept, based on the cost of living here. Our government looks the other way as these companies admit openly that they hire illegals, or deliberately lower the wage on professional jobs to the point of absurdity.

Get mad, definitely.....but know who the real enemy is!!!

reply to post by Granite


I agree with you, except replace the word "women" with "people".

FissionSurplus
reply to post by MrSpad

 

You are correct, I should have been clearer in my OP. Apparently, they choose 60,000 households to ask if they worked or not in any given week. Simultaneously they pick 500,000 employers to see if they have added or reduced jobs, according to this: 6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com...

Another source claims that only 160,000 businesses are surveyed. *Sigh*. Reporters cannot even get these numbers right.

However, consider the following: Extrapolating this data for the entire country is iffy, at best. Numbers can and are massaged to make things look better than they are.

Every monthly jobs report has a margin of error of plus or minus 100,000, so there's no meaningful difference between 120,000 and 205,000.

Why so much wiggle room? The surveys used to calculate jobs reports don't actually count every person in America -- that would be too hard for anyone to do every month. Instead, they use small samples, and extrapolate the results of those samples out to reflect how many jobs were probably created and what the unemployment rate probably is. Since there's a risk the bureau might survey a group of people not reflective of the entire nation, that extrapolation can't be done with precise numbers; just broad ranges.

The BLS gives an example. When it reports that 50,000 jobs were created in a month, what it's really saying is that there's a 90% chance that the monthly change was between -50,000 and +150,000.
.

www.dailyfinance.com...

Even if the companies were honest with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, how honest is the BLS? Based on what we get from Uncle Sugar in the way of "information" and "facts", not very honest at ALL.

I still suspect that the gubmint encourages employers to advertise for jobs they know damned well do not exist, so that we get the sense that everything is fine. It isn't.

Well you check the numbers against a variety of other measurements like the ADP payroll report, unemployment claims and lots of employment companies whom also do surveys to follow trends and compare them all and make sure they fall within the statistical limits they set. So pretty much if the Gov was faking numbers whatever side was not in power at the time would know and rat them out. And if you can bet both the DNC and the GOP watch each others numbers like a hawk.

reply to post by olaru12


Although I appreciate you putting in your two cents into this thread, and I congratulate you on your success as a business owner, I think that your situation is more the exception that the rule. Not everybody can be an entrepreneur. Not everybody can find a niche business and make it thrive. More businesses fail in their first year than succeed. Such is the animal that is capitalism.

Also, pointing out the situation as it is in this country is not being a crybaby. It is being a realist. It is definitely a good idea to get more education and get one's skill set up to standard. Nothing wrong with that. Many people do it. It still doesn't explain why retailers would advertise for jobs collecting carts from the parking lot of their store, when they have no desire to fill those positions.

This thread is about companies advertising for jobs that do not exist. Companies that do not advertise and do their hiring by word-of-mouth is another kettle of fish altogether.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


LOL...the sex trade is one of the last growth industries left in the United States, along with health care, prisons and the pharmaceutical industry (legal as well as illegal).

Breaking Bad, baby.....and Weeds.....Signs of the times.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


It ALWAYS was the employers!

FFS..

Americans had to form picket lines and use the force of "beat the crap out of whomever crosses"..

It was ALWAYS the employers.

IMMIGRANTS are the SCABS!!!!!!!

I've seen a lot of jobs listed and know they weren't really hiring in this area. Some of the jobs say this area, but are actually looking for overseas workers. I live near a military post and the position have to do with that. Getting a job on post is getting to be more and more of a joke too. When I first worked out there they mainly hired veterans, but more and more they are hiring their family and friends. Oh and many of their family they hire have been to jail first.

wasaka
reply to post by FissionSurplus

 

My comment was not direct at you... I was attempting to clarify
what I was saying... namely that MANY of jobs being posted by
the biggest casinos in Las Vegas are fake (but not all).

Even if 1 in 10 job posting at MGM is fake, that is a big deal
when they only allow people to apply for one job at a time.
If this is indeed going on, someone needs to blow the whistle.

Honestly, I've been pissed off about this for a long time.

edit on 9-10-2013 by wasaka because: (no reason given)

I'd be worried about answering those ads.
Before you know it you're on a plane without windows
off to build resorts in Dubai as a slave.
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by MrSpad


If I felt that the Democrats and Republicans were actually two separate parties who weren't working for the same common goal, I would agree with your last statement. However, when both parties receive campaign contributions from the same companies, I think they would keep their mouths shut. After all, the stock markets react to the jobs numbers in almost a knee-jerk fashion.

To cause a company's stock to drop because one side ratted out the other for fudging the numbers means that the rat would be left out of the big campaign give-away from that company come the next election.

I think both sides know what's up but it's a situation where they are quiet in order not to rock the Wall Street boat. Just my own opinion, however.

sealing

wasaka
reply to post by FissionSurplus

 

My comment was not direct at you... I was attempting to clarify
what I was saying... namely that MANY of jobs being posted by
the biggest casinos in Las Vegas are fake (but not all).

Even if 1 in 10 job posting at MGM is fake, that is a big deal
when they only allow people to apply for one job at a time.
If this is indeed going on, someone needs to blow the whistle.

Honestly, I've been pissed off about this for a long time.

edit on 9-10-2013 by wasaka because: (no reason given)

I'd be worried about answering those ads.
Before you know it you're on a plane without windows
off to build resorts in Dubai as a slave.
en.wikipedia.org...

I've been to UAE (Dubai and Abu Dhabi are there), construction is done mainly by Indians. Low wages for the hard hot job they do.

reply to post by HanzHenry


First of all, your first post was removed because it was vile, angry, and unnecessarily insulting.

This thread is not about immigrants, although it is being derailed in that direction. I'm stopping that right now. This is why I tend not to post threads, because some of y'all are incredibly hot-headed and want to argue and insult, going off on weird tangents not salient to the point at hand.

If you wish to create your own thread bagging on immigrants, be my guest. If you want to discuss the pertinent issue at hand here without bringing doosh-baggery into the thread, I'm down for that. If you want to fight, it ain't happening, and I will report it.

Merlynn
I've seen a lot of jobs listed and know they weren't really hiring in this area. Some of the jobs say this area, but are actually looking for overseas workers. I live near a military post and the position have to do with that. Getting a job on post is getting to be more and more of a joke too. When I first worked out there they mainly hired veterans, but more and more they are hiring their family and friends. Oh and many of their family they hire have been to jail first.

Just like the USSR..

those already on the govt gravy train job dole will hire a lesser qualified buddy/relative over someone more skilled.

This is just like every 3rd world nation now.

And knowing that if we fight life will become better for the 100 million third worlders.. no WAY.

I do NOT want a BETTER AMERICA if I have to share it with 3rd worlders and their KIDS!!