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posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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You can guarantee there is a plan going on in the background. Someone always benefits. Just follow the money

By the way, this plan I speak of, you can be sure that it is not in the best interests of you or I, or keeping civilization. It is all about power in the global network. Someone is trying to change their position. and he who takes the real lead in this is, will most likely have the most to gain out of it.




posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 10:33 AM
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See demand is already weakening.

How long before weak demand turns to majority selling.

Reuters - today



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 10:37 AM
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I think the word I am looking for is....... bugger
edit on 8-10-2013 by Mufcutcakeyumyum because: link would not upload due to my Fred Flintstone computer.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 10:39 AM
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JakiusFogg
See demand is already weakening.

How long before weak demand turns to majority selling.

Reuters - today


I'd give it 'til sometime on Friday ... but ... I'm doing doom porn on this thread. Next week I'll try prophecy.


Thanks for posting the link ... another plausible indicator.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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You are correct there are a LOT of $$$ that could be saved.

The USA funds 40% of the United Nations.

The USA funds a large portion of the World Bank.

Get us the heck out of all the foreign 'Wars' where we have no business being in the first place.

Cut Foreign Aid. Do we really need to borrow money from China so we can then turn around and give it back to them?

Cut all the idiotic $$$ going to all the 'Sustainability' crap like windmills, solar panels, bio-fuel that do nothing but transfer $$$ from tax payers to the buddies of the politicians. (All are incapable of producing economic energy because of the physics involved. - Don't ask and I won't dump several years of research into a series of posts.)

Cut the darn idiotic funding of Academics determining how many pixies can dance on a pin and how you can make fuel out of Unicorn farts.

Cut the entire departments of Education, EPA, FDA and USDA among others. The states have there own departments so those departments are redundant.

Heck get the USA out of NAFTA, WTO and the UN. Put reasonable tariffs on imported goods so American goods are competitive with foreign made products. The USA federal government was entirely funded by tariffs until the Banksters got control in 1913 and immediately got us into a foreign war.

As far as I am concerned politicians and bureaucrats are parasites upon the productive. When the burden of parasites becomes to heavy they kill the host.

That is where we are right now and it is INTENTIONAL. Alexander Tytler Cycle: The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. So this is a known cycle and therefore could be averted but the politicians and Corporate cartels instead want a return to Neo-Feudalism with Corporations as the Aristocracy and Transit Villages as the feudal estates.

See posts starting: www.abovetopsecret.com... for more details.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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No those are very very good questions.

From what I understand (haven't really researched it) The 'City of London' is like the Vatican and a completely separate country. Also it is NM Rothschild who actually set the value of gold every day and that bit of information gets even more interesting.

Rothschild to pull out of gold market after 200 years



12:01AM BST 15 Apr 2004
The investment bank that has chaired the London meetings setting the world gold price since 1919 is quitting the market.

NM Rothschild will withdraw from all its commodity trading activities, which also include an oil trading business set up less than two years ago, as part of a strategic review. The move brings to an end nearly 200 years of tradition. NM Rothschild was founded in London in 1810 by Nathan Mayer Rothschild,...


Remember Nathan Mayer Rothschild is the guy tasked by Cecil Rhodes to form a world government. SeeRhodes Round Table Groups

One thing is for certain what ever is going on it means less freedom and more poverty for us.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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I agree and so does Nat.....

Maybe some day the people we entrust with influence will also have a sense of accountability, decency, and for once, just once, they will do what's right. Not for them but what is right for everyone.
Now, where's me dancing shoes.......



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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Ron Paul? Is that you?

Even if not, keep preaching. I'd probably vote for you if you ran for office.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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Ron Paul? Is that you?

Since I am female, not likely although I do agree with some of what he says. Generally I hate politicians of all stripes.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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No default yet people , enjoy the modern empire US while you still can.Too much globalisation in this world for playing dangerous games like this . Big players around the World will squeeze Boehner and Obama to make a deal.US wanted a globalised World , they cant ruin now.
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posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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This is all good, BUT is impossible in this present reality .The World is too much inter-connected and globalised that any of this measures will create haos and tragedies of milions of people, and you dont want that.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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xavi1000
No default yet people , enjoy the modern empire US while you still can.Too much globalisation in this world for playing dangerous games like this . Big players around the World will squeeze Boehner and Obama to make a deal.US wanted a globalised World , they cant ruin now.
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I had not considered an international squeeze influencing Boehner's decisions in these matters. When you put 'default' into context, I can almost see the hidden wheels of Boehner's mind factoring in a personal bailout strategy.

Good one. -Cheers!!



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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I believe the dollar will collapse. Not only by the hand of those in power... But by Countries learning why Saddam and Gaddafi were killed. They dare go after our Petro $.

I had a question that why do people in the " know " continue to greed off our system. They can turn what they make into other currencies... And that's exactly what they're doing. I heard we made 3 deposits to a Swiss account.

Here's a video from a trader that seems to understand this Ponzi scheme cannot nor will it survive.

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posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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tracehd1

Here's a video from a trader that seems to understand this Ponzi scheme cannot nor will it survive.
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tracehd1: Thanks for posting that video. You're onto one of the greatest end-times conspiracies facing us near-term. I said it in a U2U regarding your first reply in this thread, I'll say it again publicly ... this subject deserves its own thread, but you're welcome to draw attention here if you like.



posted on Oct, 8 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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crimvelvet
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Also it is NM Rothschild who actually set the value of gold every day and that bit of information gets even more interesting.

Rothschild to pull out of gold market after 200 years

12:01AM BST 15 Apr 2004
The investment bank that has chaired the London meetings setting the world gold price since 1919 is quitting the market.
NM Rothschild will withdraw from all its commodity trading activities, which also include an oil trading business set up less than two years ago, as part of a strategic review. The move brings to an end nearly 200 years of tradition. NM Rothschild was founded in London in 1810 by Nathan Mayer Rothschild,...

Remember Nathan Mayer Rothschild is the guy tasked by Cecil Rhodes to form a world government. SeeRhodes Round Table Groups

One thing is for certain what ever is going on it means less freedom and more poverty for us.


Did you see Karen Hudes' claim that the state of Hawaii is sitting 170,000 tons of gold. If that's true, there's no wonder the Rothschilds bailed. Once the sheople realize there's so much gold laying around in vaults, they'll start to consider why it's price is so high. THAT is when TPTB will lose their control over the assignment of value.

Beezzer sent me a U2U the other day with some simple tongue-in-cheek advice, "Keep your powder dry." I'm taking that advice to heart.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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You know what i find amazing? The government has shut down, and no one seems to care. What IF this "shut down" was a smoke screen for the collapse, everyone here has been waiting for? How do we know the system hasn't collapsed already? IMHO, now would be the perfect time for them to pull the plug; and get away with all their lies, deceptions, and thievery. Now, they have the perfect scapegoat.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 02:42 AM
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I wonder if these ashat politicians look around themselves - their bodygaurds and SS body gaurds - and wonder? "they all see how we live - we aren't going to pay them to protect us, and continue to inside trade to keep our families wealthy"

Do they fear for their safety?

$47,000 for a mechanical bull? $5 million dollars for wine glasses? And they're not going to pay out SS checks?

How many gaudy, ridiculous parties have the obozo's had in their realm?

Default now - we don't need no stinking UN, Tsa, Dept of education- or energy - or fbi, or cia - we need these criminals gone, now -

Reminds me of MF corzine - 2 billion? I don't know where it went to?



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 07:37 AM
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Happy1

Do they fear for their safety?


Nope. Not in the least. You should experience the screening process an agent goes through.

ETA: But it's a really good question though. -Cheers!
edit on 9102013 by Snarl because: ETA



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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You have to ask yourself, who is making all the doom predictions?

The politicians and the media.

Ironically, the same politicians making all the doom porn noise are the same ones that welcomed and wanted a shutdown and a cap on the debt ceiling in 2006.

So which is it?

Are we headed for doom or not?

Obama wanted no ceiling increase in 2006. Would not that have caused doom?

Now he wants a raise in the ceiling to avoid certain doom.

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I think nothing will happen if the debt ceiling is not raised.

I think this is all theatre created to urge the masses to go along with the increase.

If the government defaults and truely shuts down, maybe people will realise that government isn't that important after all, and that people can get along just fine without all their interference.

Just my 2 cents.


Be not so sure about that.
If the US defaults, interest on the debt would go very high where they only have money left to pay off the debt, basicly nothing else.
Look at Germany what happened just before WWII, your money wouldn't pay for anything.
People where starving, no jobs, no money.
At least back then people still had some idea to grow their own stuff and to take care of themself without money.



posted on Oct, 9 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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Be not so sure about that.
If the US defaults, interest on the debt would go very high where they only have money left to pay off the debt, basicly nothing else.
Look at Germany what happened just before WWII, your money wouldn't pay for anything.
People where starving, no jobs, no money.
At least back then people still had some idea to grow their own stuff and to take care of themself without money.


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Didn't you see my earlier post in this very same thread where I said "next week" I'd get to prophecy? Now look what you've gone and done!! You go jumpin' the gun on me and talking about actual historical events that are about to repeat themselves and I'll have no material for that effort. You being European, people here will probably credit you with knowing what you're talking about too. Oh well ... I guess I'm not the only one who's good at dot-to-dot.

Hey ... did you see that one article about Obama declaring an emergency? Well, this time it was discredited based on the source. Maybe I can use something along those lines next week. What do you think?

-Cheers!!





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