reply to post by iwilliam
Wow, you are seriously reaching there. I am attracted to women, but the moment I laid with one I made a conscious choice to do it. It is natural for a
man to be attracted to women and women to men, it's in our dna. Let me ask you this. Are serial killers born serial killers ? Are pedophiles born
pedophiles ? Are Zoophiles born zoophiles ? People are not born sexual. Sexuality comes on at puberty and anyone that claims that they had true sexual
feelings as a young child is full of crap. There are several years that go by before sexuality sets in and that gives plenty of time for things to go
awry. For the pedophile things go seriously awry, as with the serial killer and zoophile and homosexual. Name your cliché, overbearing mother figure,
absent father figure, abuse, recruitment.
1- So you mean to tell me, that if you wanted to, you could have sexual attraction, desire for sexual intimacy
with men, the same sex? I don't
think you could. I think the idea would repulse you a bit. And that's okay. You did not choose
to have sexual attraction toward women. As you
said, you are quite naturally this way.
2- Likewise, homosexuals do not "choose' their sexual attraction. They would be just as repulsed by the idea of having sexual relations with the
opposite sex, as you would be at the idea of having relations with the same sex. If you couldn't choose to enjoy gay sex, why do you think anyone else
can? If you didn't choose who you're actually attracted to, what makes you imagine anyone else does?
3- What you say about people not having sexual feelings prior to puberty is 100% not true. First of all, I did
. Strong sexual feelings, too. I
won't get much more explicit than that, to try to stay within ATS acceptable discussion... but I assure you that plenty of people have strong sexual
feelings before puberty.
And there is all kinds of evidence for this. The least of which is the fact that even infants masturbate
4- The answer to pretty much all your other questions, is "in some cases, quite possibly." We have no idea why people become serial killers. However,
they all pretty much have the characters of sociopathy, which is
something they generally believe you are born with. Who knows, maybe that's
the case with zoophilia as well. Pedophilia is a bit trickier, because many pedophiles were abused when they were younger, and some believe that this
is a factor. However, I have read testimonials from pedophiles who clam they were not abused, and yet are attracted to children, so that's really hard
But the fact is-- yes, genetics, and probably some other presently poorly understood factors do actually seem to determine some very fundamental
things about the personalities or quirks of most, if not all of us, in one way or another.
And yes-- homosexuals are quite naturally attracted to the same sex, just like you are quite naturally attracted to the opposite sex.
PS-- I think it's funny that when it's convenient for your beliefs, and your argument, you assume that everyone must be the same as you were (i.e.,
non-sexual prior to puberty.) And similarly, also when it's convenient for your argument
you assume that others must be different than you,
and they choose
to be attracted to the same sex, despite their alleged existing natural heterosexual instinct, and choose to be gay-- even
though you admit that you're naturally straight, not straight by choice.
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