The Greek neo nazi movement: the Golden dawn

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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 12:52 AM
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well i was browsing youtube and saw a post by a member of this wonderful organization. I clicked it and no surprise was instantly against them for their Ideaology. I will link you fellow ATS members the page momentarily. Just have a read of their manifesto. Does it remind you of anyone? ANy particular party at all?

I will let my fellow members decide for themselves,but please post your thoughts here.

xaameriki.wordpress.com...


The above is the link to their manifesto. For some reason i messed up the link.

Oh fell free to comment there below on their page but they like to keep non greeks from posting there i posted one under Nationalist says what. lol.
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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 01:10 AM
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Thanks for the link. Their manifesto is basically against the right left paradigm combined with Statist Nationalism. The problem with this style of party is that the Nationalist part turns into killing all of who they deem outsiders whether of different color or religion. Ejecting the right and the left paradigms of Bush (Fascist totalitarian) or Communism (Obama style socialism) is where do you get your funds from... The banks are not interested in funding another Hitler as the status quo is theirs already...

so in a revolutionary time of hidden Anonymous players... a party like this, though dangerous in concept... has no play..


JAK

posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 12:06 PM
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A timely thread yuppa.

Greek anti-fascist rapper murdered by ‘neo-Nazi’ Golden Dawn supporter


Man admits to killing leftist hip-hop artist in the name of far-right party Golden Dawn



Greek police raided the Athens offices of the Golden Dawn party after Pavlos Fyssas, a left-wing rapper otherwise known as MC Killah P, was killed by a 45-year-old man claiming his allegiance to the far-right group.

34-year-old Pavlos Fysass died in hospital having suffered at least two stab wounds to the heart and ribs, police officials said.

Local reports say Fysass had been watching a game of football at a café in the Athens suburb of Keratsini when he was surrounded by a group of 30 men in Golden Dawn shirts and military style trousers.

The 45-year-old man arrested in conjunction with Fysass’s death has admitted to the murder and also stated his support for Golden Dawn, police say.

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Keerfa, a Greek anti-racist and fascist group, said in a statement: “Golden Dawn is intensifying its attacks [because it is] enjoying complete asylum from the police,”.

The far-right party have been known to openly espouse Nazism and Hitler’s ideology, while its logo, the “meander”, an ancient Greek symbol, bears a strong resemblance to the swastika in colour and design.


In relation to the suggestion of a relationship between certain sectors the police and Golden Dawn:

Golden Dawn has infiltrated Greek police, claims officer


Officer says government has turned blind eye to fascists and far right may be being used to provoke clashes with demonstrators

A senior Greek police officer has claimed that the far-right Golden Dawn party has infiltrated the police at various levels. He has laid the blame on consecutive governments and the leadership of the police force for turning a blind eye to what he describes as "pockets of fascism".

Speaking to the Guardian on condition of anonymity, the officer said the Greek state had been fully aware of the activities of Golden Dawn for several years, with the National Intelligence Service and other security agencies monitoring it closely. The officer claimed police chiefs had had the opportunity to isolate and remove these small "pockets of fascism" in the force but decided not to. The state, he said, wanted to keep the fascist elements "in reserve" and use them for its own purposes.


Nice people:

Golden Dawn film: Greek police probe neo-Nazi hate speech


The film - which was broadcast on Channel 4 News on 5 March - was shot by Konstantinos Georgousis, with the full knowledge of the members, after spending a month filming far-right Golden Dawn party on the streets of Athens.

In the film, Alexandros Plomaritis, a 44-year-old who ran for parliament for the party in last year's election, said: "We are ready to open the ovens. We will turn them into soap ... to wash cars and pavements. We will make lamps from their skin."


It would be very interesting to hear from any Greek ATS'ers their take on what's going on and what they believe to be the general feeling in Greece.
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posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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Your post should deserve a thread on its own IMO. It's rather disgusting where Greece is heading too nowadays.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:06 PM
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Wow. I guess it was a timely thread. Its a shame that in this day and age we have such hateful people using the same disguise as hitler did until they get more powerful. I really get disgusted at the thought of another Hitler or hitler lite coming to power. Yeah the greeks had their time but it ultimately failed an dnow they want to bring back the good ole days? You ought to listen to their radio podcast. What a tool they have as a host. Blaming gypsies of all people for greek problems.



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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OK its blatantly a Nazi organisation, no one in their right mind would call anything other than a Nazi type entity "Social Nationalist".

What I find really scary is that I agree with practically everything the manifesto said



posted on Sep, 18 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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IkNOwSTuff
OK its blatantly a Nazi organisation, no one in their right mind would call anything other than a Nazi type entity "Social Nationalist".

What I find really scary is that I agree with practically everything the manifesto said


If thats the case you need to change the lightsaber to RED for the kitty lol!

SO you agree with their thought on only greeks running the world? Sorry i do not see that leading to anything good. Its unfair and oppressive. They want to own the world just liek the jihadist or bankers do



posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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yuppa


If thats the case you need to change the lightsaber to RED for the kitty lol!

SO you agree with their thought on only greeks running the world? Sorry i do not see that leading to anything good. Its unfair and oppressive. They want to own the world just liek the jihadist or bankers do


I missed that bit, Ill admit I did skim a tiny tiny bit but I got the impression it was about Greeks running Greece for the Greek people.

Other than the way they describe themselves (social nationalists) I didnt see anything repugnant in what they said


JAK

posted on Sep, 19 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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It's rather disgusting where Greece is heading too nowadays.


I'd agree, with all the old impossible monsters re-emerging (not just in Greece) it is genuine cause for concern but it should also be remembered that there are many Greeks out on the streets expressing anger over this:

Neo-Nazi Murder: Greeks Protest Rise of the Far-Right

Backlash against Greek far-right as anti-fascist rapper is laid to rest

Greeks protest against Golden Dawn attack on Communists - Thousands demonstrate in Athens after supporters of neo-Nazi party leave nine seriously injured amid fears of civil war

Greeks mourn anti-racism rapper stabbed to death

Again though, it would be very interesting to hear from any Greek ATS'ers.
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posted on Sep, 21 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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So, the nazis are behind Greek yogurt? Or did I read too much into the article?



posted on Sep, 22 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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I did some research, because I've been reading a book called "Self-Initiation into the Golden Dawn Tradition" by Israel Regardie....


they seem to have nothing to do with the 'secret society' of Golden Dawn... other than name.


JAK

posted on Sep, 23 2013 @ 05:38 PM
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The claims made by an anonymous senior Greek police officer to the Guardian seem to have been born out as an investigation was launched today and five senior police officers were replaced:

Senior Greek police chiefs replaced over links to far right Golden Dawn party

The Public Order Ministry said the heads of the police’s special forces, internal security, organised crime, firearms and explosives, and a rapid-response motorcycle division had been moved to other posts pending an investigation into weekend reports in the Greek media that police provided the party with assistance in alleged criminal activity.


Reuters reported that included in the statement

Two other high-ranking police officials also resigned, citing personal reasons
while going on to quote that "Police have often refused to investigate racist attacks by Golden Dawn members"


The two who resigned were

Two senior police officers have resigned following a barrage of revelations into neonazi Golden Dawn and its activities.

They are Lieutenant General Yiannis Dikopoulos, inspector general of the police in southern Greece, and Major General Apostolos Kaskanis, general police director of Central Greece.

The two officers submitted their resignations to the public order minister, Nikos Dendias, on Monday.

Both men stated that they were resigning for personal reasons, but their departure is being widely interpreted as being related to revelations into the activities of neonazi Golden Dawn since the murder last week of Pavlos Fyssas by one of its members.

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Dendias has also ordered the police's internal affairs division to investigate whether the force's ranks have been infiltrated by Golden Dawn.


And all this alongside whisperings of Concern in Greece over Angela Merkel's win.

Good luck Greece.
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JAK

posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 06:02 AM
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After the recent 'purge' mentioned above and in steps described as unprecedented, Greek authorities have arrested four MP's of the Golden Dawn party including the leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos, the party spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris and the local party leader of the suburb where Pavlos Fyssas was murdered.

This was achieved through a decision which could carry with it dangerous potential. Apparently under Greek constitution a political party cannot be banned so in order to carry out these actions the party had to be legally reclassified from a political party to a criminal organisation after which anti-terrorism police moved in with arrests totalling nine in all. It has been announced by police that the arrests were on charges of founding a criminal organisation and in response Golden Dawn is now calling on people to rally in front of police headquarters.

Greek police arrest leader, deputies of far-right Golden Dawn party
Greek police arrest leader of far-right Golden Dawn party Nikolaos Mihaloliakos
Greece's Golden Dawn leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos held
Greek police arrest far-right party leader

"Golden Dawn": Greek police arrest right-wing MPs (SPIEGEL ONLINE / Google translation report doesn't appear to be offered in English yet.)

In another article from Spiegel Online:

Minister Nikos Dendias had also arranged to withdraw all 18 members of the neo-Nazi party and the local party offices to police protection until further notice.

It may be quite apparent I am no fan of Golden Dawn but the steps being taken to deal with this are starting to leave me feeling a little uncomfortable.

Again, good luck Greece and any Greek ATS'ers watching things unfold please, it would be interesting to hear your opinions.
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posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 06:11 AM
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Well, if they have been plotting with some of the more right-wing and batpoop crazy members of the Greek Armed Forces that's treason so they can suppress them.



posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 06:23 AM
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Unpleasant as they are i cant help thinking that arresting the leaders of a party polling 14% and calling it a criminal organisation is not good strategy. Its likely to be counter productive. Parties like this whose whole schtick is painting themselves as fighters for the common Greek against 'the other' (whatever boogeyman that happens to be) thrive on being repressed. To an extent they can tell themselves this is legitimising their argument.

If you cant beat these people in open debate you are in trouble.



posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 06:58 AM
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You know what Golden Dawn is dont you. Alastair Crowley used to be their Grand Master.



posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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Let the greeks exercise their democratic rights and do what they will. If the majority of their people believe that Golden Dawn is the correct way forward for Greece, then no-one can dictate to them exactly what they choose to do in their own country.

Personally, i refuse to ring the bell of the zionist agenda and i'll support any country that fairly allows its people to act in a truly democratic way.



posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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What the hell does 'Zionist agenda' have to do with Greece and the scum who make up Golden Dawn????



posted on Sep, 28 2013 @ 09:14 AM
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it makes sense to me... that Greece (or even a Macedonian remnant of a people) would be a focal point for a revival of the old, mystical & occult aspects of the NAZIs, & other assorted occultists...

because Prophecy in 'sacred' writings tell us that out of one of the 4 kingdoms that ensued after Alexander-the-Great died...
would indeed be the homeland of the end-times anti-christ...

that prophecy...of the 4 kingdoms after Alexander...only excludes the kingdom that centered in Egypt (called the Ptolemic)...
the other 3 are still fair game of being the homeland of the soon-future AC
(those 3 include Rome , Greece, Turkey-Syria...but only excludes Egypt because Egypt is S & SW of Jerusalem
And not NW of Jerusalem as the prophecy details)


resource: wiki.answers.com...
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posted on Sep, 29 2013 @ 03:27 AM
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The Golden Dawn neo nazi leader rat handcuffed and dragged before the court by greek SWAT.

Isn't this a nice pic ?


edit on 29-9-2013 by johncarter because: (no reason given)





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