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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by benrl
who says you aren't now.
My house. The food I eat. My working conditions. My healthcare. The lifestyle I live.
edit on 9/2/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by olaru12
The system is designed to make the slaves love and cherish their servitude. Stockholm syndrome..
And to also fear terrible separation anxiety if let go....
Gaming the system is actually very easy but takes some very dangerous first steps. Most don't have the courage to do what it takes.edit on 2-9-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by greavsie1971
I always find it a little crazy knowing americans get so little annual leave. Are there any other developed countries that are similar?
Certainly, value added in transport and processing means increased prices.
The longer the distance between labor and goods, the more expensive they become in time required.
I've always been of the mindset that the reason Americans work so much is to keep us busy and unaware,
I suppose that would depend on your definition of "decent". Of course, if you had a nice lord I'm sure it was fine.
I think the OP was merely pointing out that people didn't always work so hard to live decent lives, sometimes even as serfs of a feudal system.
Well, the topic is Medieval feudalism. Not a very happy time for those at and near the bottom. In fact the article that the OP quotes points out some of the unpleasantness...except for that vacation time.
In reaction, some people equated the entirety of history to its darkest moments, of famine and disease and life expectancy's of under 35 years old.
Life for the medieval peasant was certainly no picnic. His life was shadowed by fear of famine, disease and bursts of warfare. His diet and personal hygiene left much to be desired. But despite his reputation as a miserable wretch, you might envy him one thing: his vacations.
Plowing and harvesting were backbreaking toil, but the peasant enjoyed anywhere from eight weeks to half the year off.
On the contrary, there is much to learn. Like serfdom was not a good thing and hygiene is.
The consequence in this line of thinking is that these people feel there is nothing to learn from past civilizations or lifestyles.
Not sure empire is exactly the right word (I'm sure you'd be happy to argue that but no thanks). I don't think we're as good as it will get. I certainly hope not. But I sure as hell don't want to go back to the way things were in medieval Europe.
As if our post modern empire is the pinnacle of human achievement.
On the contrary, there is much to learn [from history]. Like serfdom was not a good thing and hygiene is.
Well...I think you'll find that as far as civilization goes there have always been those at the bottom of society. Getting into nomadic and hunter/gatherer cultures things were different but survival was a hit or miss proposition in most of those cases.
There were times in history, you know, where people were not subjects of authoritarian empires (yes I would argue that this is that), didn't starve to death or die of diseases as children, and actually lived VERY decent lives.