Suffering.

Let's make this a thread where people can read and find information about suffering. Maybe it might ease their own a bit or give them knowledge of information and truth about something. But alas probably not. What do you know about suffering.

What can you tell me about Jesus and suffering? What did his suffering achieve? So then what does our suffering achieve.

If we suffer as a criminal then suffering is just plain bad news. The bible also says one day there will be no more pain or suffering. Does this mean Satan Devil is tortured by something other than pain and suffering. I'm not sure.

I believe suffering makes you stupid and poor. It doesn't make your shine brighter. I would like to understand suffering and Jesus more. What is your opinion what is your truth.

People can't detect suffering sometimes with outward appearances.

So what is suffering for? It doesn't produce any good benefits. Or does it? What do you know about suffering? Have you experienced much of it. I suffered for about 10 years. It was like the pain was always on, extreme pain. I have truly suffered.

My suffering is light these days compared to what it used to be. Even though I have experienced suffering on the extreme end I still can't tell you much about it. I can tell you to avoid it. Maybe you can suggest pain avoidance measures. Really I don't know.

What I can say about suffering is that you should report it to a doctor and stress how much you are suffering. Doctors if they can't see a wound think your not suffering. Make sure the doctors understand your in pain and you want it treated.

Don't let the doctors tell you you have a mental illness when your suffering and in pain and that's all you want cured. Pain can often look like a mental illness i guess. I found it hard for doctors to believe me when I told them I was in pain and they offered me panadol and left me to it.

No one came to help me. No one understood how much pain I was in. There was no cure.

If you've never experienced on going pain before then your lucky.

So what can you tell me about pain? What's it for? Doe's it make you stronger? I think it doesn't.

TPTB use pain as a weapon. How much of a weapon is pain. Can that ever be solved?

Will science overcome pain oneday? Who in the world holds the record for the most pain endured for the longest time? Where are the Guiness world records.

No really tell me about pain. Maybe one day you will have your share of pain what will you do?

I have truly suffered and been defeated and left in the dark mauled and brutally beaten.

Tell me about your suffering?

Is there any good to come of suffering?

What's your story?

What does science say about suffering and pain. It keeps everyone bound in someway

What does Religion say about pain.

I haven't learned much from my experiences of suffering and pain. I hated it. Have you learned anything you can share. You know we shouldn't have to live like this. But we are powerless. Pain is the ruler.

I think maybe with pain you should stop and take stock and make some changes. My pain was extreme and I became depressed. I think diet could help with pain and healing and general well being. We are what we eat.

We need our comforts. I found it hard when it was cold living in a cold house. I suffered mostly before broadband as well so I didn't nearly have as much luxury that I do now with on the internet. The internet was different on dial up.

Is pain a birthright? Do we go through pain as an initiation into some secret.

Anyway what are your thoughts on pain considering how much or less you are going to suffer yourself?

I just come from hell with residual effects.

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Something I heard on the subject that has stuck with me is "Pain is inevitable. Suffering is a choice."

When it comes to physical pain and physical suffering, all I can say is that your pain doesn't define your outlook. Sometimes it can add weight in the pit of your stomach and that weight holding you down and dragging you to hate life or circumstance or whatever causes your pain, that is what suffering is to me. It's almost like an addiction. Your pain acts as a sort of trigger, and your self-pity and "you don't know what I'm going through" attitude becomes a sort of drug.

I hope this doesn't sound condescending or like people choose to have chronic pains, because I know that's not true. You choose how you look at the pain. If it drags you down, then you let it. If you work through it, you can overcome. You can be made stronger through pain because you learn to overcome your suffering.

My suffering has been emotional. I've suffered many emotional traumas through my short life, and I've let myself suffer for them. But after I step back and look at myself objectively, I realize that I let my pain define me instead of letting my strength define me. I hope this makes at least some sense. I apologize if I sound like I'm trivializing yours or anybody else's struggle. This is just how I've seen it. How I've started to overcome it.

If you've never experienced on going pain before then your lucky.

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Our past hardships will never be forgotten.Lucky or not,Strength and good will shall prevail.

Jesus spoke the sermon on the mount for those who suffered.
Suffering is the nature of this broken world and the evil that consumes it.

I will reply in some detail but it may take awhile to form and answer your question comprehensively.

if you're alive at some point in life you will suffer it's inevitable.

Originally posted by leeda
I haven't learned much from my experiences of suffering and pain. I hated it. Have you learned anything you can share. You know we shouldn't have to live like this. But we are powerless. Pain is the ruler.

Suffering and pain cannot be cured by going to the mind - when one goes to the mind for help it will just give you more reasons to feel bad.
The body is saying look at me. Do not go and look in the mirror though, feel the sensation. Feel right into where it hurts because the body is where life is. The sensations in the body or the suffering one feels is life- it is aliveness. If one goes to the mind one is denying life, running away from what is..
A split happens when one goes to the mind because the mind is concerned with how I will feel later - how I will appear to others and how will I cope.
It is hard to go into the body because this world has the mind as king and the body where life if felt is missed. This is the true suffering of most humans they do not know what life actually feels like.
Many tensions are in the body and it might not feel very comfortable but if you spend time experiencing life through the body instead of the mind life begins to come alive.

Suffering sucks. That's the long and short of it.

I know what the different religions say about suffering ... about how it 'burns bad karma' or how it 'brings graces for others' or how it 'has a purpose' or how it 'makes us more Christ like' ... etc etc. I've read it all. But the bottom line .. it sucks.

The body can be hurt but it is the mind that suffers. Pain happens but goes. Suffering has a different quality - an emotional, mental quality.
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What can you tell me about Jesus and suffering? What did his suffering achieve? So then what does our suffering achieve.

If we suffer as a criminal then suffering is just plain bad news. The bible also says one day there will be no more pain or suffering. Does this mean Satan Devil is tortured by something other than pain and suffering. I'm not sure.

1 Peter 5:10 - But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Romans 8:18 - For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

John 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

As far as what Jesus' suffering achieved, the sacrifice of himself allowed each one of us the chance to experience an eternal afterlife with God, in which there will be no more evil, suffering, pain or death. Sometimes pain is a reminder that what we experience was also experienced by Jesus, making him no hypocrite to man's plight here on earth as we wait for all of God's plans to be fulfilled. When that day comes, and Jesus places all of God's enemies under his feet, he will judge those enemies and cast Satan, evil, and death itself into the Lake of Fire for eternity. The current heavens and earth will pass away and be replaced with a new heaven/earth in which God himself will reside with man forever. Our new "heavenly bodies" or "incorruptible bodies" that we will be resurrected into, will never decay, grow old, suffer or die.

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I hope this doesn't sound condescending or like people choose to have chronic pains, because I know that's not true. You choose how you look at the pain. If it drags you down, then you let it. If you work through it, you can overcome. You can be made stronger through pain because you learn to overcome your suffering.

If it drags you down you let it? Have you ever experienced long term pain? I'm not talking about a week or a month of pain and then you heal and are fine again. I'm talking years of physical pain with barely a reprieve. You do not work through it or overcome it.

I have back issues and nerve damage in my leg. The nerve damage is like a bunch of red hot needles poking in your skin. You get pain, numbness and sometimes it feels like your leg is on fire. Constant back pain is no fun either. I just recieved acceptance for disibility. Of course it will drag me down. I can no longer take long walks on the beach, in a park or whatever. Everything I do is limited and the pain is constantly there. Medicine only helps so much.

You can try all you want to not think about the pain, but believe me IT will NOT be ignored. It will pierce through your body and scream here I am! I try to be be positive, I joke around with people and still laugh and have some fun, but you do suffer a great deal and are changed because of it.

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You're right, I don't understand. But I clearly explained that in my post above, which I explicitly qualified as using only my chronic emotional pain as a source of comparison. Of course, if you read the entire post, you knew that already.

When I was 18 months old, I climbed up the tailgate of a pick-up bed that was converted into a trailer. Unbeknownst to me, the latch wasn't fully latched, and it came down on me. As a result, I suffered a green break of my right femur, wrenched my back, and the back of my skull was caved in. I spent the next 9 months in traction and a body cast. At 5, i shattered my right elbow when i tripped over a dog that ran across my path and I landed on concrete. At 6, I was run over by a yearling colt and had my left collarbone shattered. When I was 10, i had a compound fracture of both my right fore arm bones. At 12 I slipped on a broken bale of hay while unloading a 53' trailer. Of course i was on the top layer, and as a result i blew 2 disks in my back when I landed on some rocks below. At 18, i was hit by vehicles 2 separate times, a month apart to the day. Right shoulder blown the first time, left one the second. Then in 1999, while 'popping' my neck, i inadvertently hyper-extended the tendons/muscles which hold my head vertical resulting in me literally not being able to hold my head up.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I know pain. In fact, the only time in my life that i haven't been in pain is the one time I was hospitalized for a suspected heart attack and i was on a morphine drip.
What have I learned?

Compassion and empathy.

I try and look to the future and hope that such things will not exist any more.

I predict a resurrection of every living being some to paradise and immortality some to doom and loss.

Pain makes you a spectacle of other humans sometimes. Those without pain fail to understand and comprehend fully. I didn't.

I also ask the question why? Is it for someones pleasure, some people get off on seeing others suffer without knowing suffering themselves? What does it really teach us. I really don't see or know the answer to what pain is.

It could be like lifting weights? But it's not. It didn't make me any stronger. I just suffered in silence while everyone lived their lives. In my case suffering begot suffering and then more suffering.

I am more vigilant in what could cause pain so avoid things but not really. Suffering didn't perfect me in anyway I just lost all my power, I don't even have a memory of it really, what it was like, to use as a weapon all I know is that my suffering was extreme and i'm innocent.

I guess the future will be the joy.

Also I have questions. Does God exist? I can't prove this. The bible's not enough. Jesus suffered. But he's dead now. Can't confirm his resurrection though if he is still dead then he will be ressed at some point. Even if Jesus is alive after already being resurrected then nothing has really changed. People are still dying and suffering.

Jesus could return when he gets a res from technology and science. Because we all know there was a Jesus who walked the earth 2000 years ago and walked directly into suffering.

You know even though I have suffered to the extreme. I could still face yet more extreme suffering. As long as i'm mortal i'm vulnerable. I say onwards and upwards to immortality and beyond.

At the moment technology is winning in the race to achieve immortality and zero pain and misery and suffering. That's all I see for the future. I can't prove God or Jesus and they seem less powerful.

Fear not? What can suffering do to you once your dead.

The sting of death still exists in this day for the days are evil surely. We must reclaim the day.

Overcoming pain is not easy. You have to endure to the end which could be death. I can't guarantee any reward for your suffering. I think it will be remembered and measured.

Does Jesus have any answers he was so sure of himself that he went to the cross but alas it seems as he was just another man who was powerless over pain. Where is Jesus now, so much suffering has taken place since his death. Christians who have never suffered don't understand Jesus

Here is the scripture I have been reading:

Matthew 8:20 Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

In this case I consider myself the Son of Man. When I would goto sleep I remember thinking that there was no place to rest my head as the pain ruled all, the pain was in my head. It didn't matter what position I got into or what I tried. There was no rest. I remember thinking that if I went long enough like this I would form something powerful. I would be a blazing fire. It was a triangle or something that I saw with 3 sides, it was forming with the final side of the triangle being put in place. I forget the exact nature and design.

I forget what it all meant but yeah I really had no place to lay my head, but it was developing some type of an endurance.

So I guess if you experience pain and suffering it causes you to develop endurance.

Endurance has to be good for something. I guess it's the endurance to keep living and not kill yourself from pain overdose.

Pain suffering = endurance. The ability to endure more life, maybe you could say this.

Immortality ain't gunna be easy. Some people might not want it or have the endurance. There could be hard times even in paradise because of interactions with others maybe not because of pain or suffering.

You got to keep living even in the pain. Endure to the end. It's definitely working something I believe. Something good. Good things. Even though it sucks. I can say this and these now that my suffering is relatively light.

I hope the devil is in decay and the devils soul is shattered and destroyed leaving his power to fade. Such is pain.
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No place to lay my head.

Leeda

Pain teaches. Just ask anyone whose had their bottom paddled as a child for doing something wrong. I've had my share of suffering, some inflicted by others, some inflicted on me by my own hand. What did I learn? I learned that my way does not work, and no one else's way works either. So I figured i'd learn about this Jesus fellow 2 years ago, and his way works. Since then I learned how to forgive and how to love, and that love is born from forgiveness.

Laws and Law seem to be powerless against pain and not even an issue or involvement in the subject at the moment?

Pain exists. Are there LAWS against pain? Can thoughts help with pain? How do you punish pain?

Maybe their are magical unicorn LAWS that help with pain. Drop the law down into it like a fishing net. Jesus was perfected by pain. You could say it discipled him. Jesus was a disciple of pain.

If you want no pain you must keep ahead and practice everyday all the time through out the day all the time could this be the truth.

Law vs Pain? e=mc2. The law that I know seems feeble vs pain.

Love vs Pain? This is an old story. It seems tech will path the way to lesser pain.

Jesus came across some pain. He confronted it and didn't back down. There must be other ideas about against pain. What are your ideas.

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Anybody telling you that you must suffer to make god happy or because of past actions from another life that you have no evidence of or even remember - is a false religion.

Suffering is just a perspective. When you keep replaying a thought that you don't like called a "memory" over and over again. That is what makes suffering.

Pain is also a perspective even though it feels so real and physical. Have you ever noticed that sometimes, if you hurt yourself by mistake, you won't even feel the pain until you see it? If you have a bad injury, as you sleep or even forget about it the pain fades until it comes back to your awareness.

Pain and Suffering is a perspective which means that its opposites Pleasure and Joy also are as well.

Does anyone else have anything to say about pain and suffering.

The world is not prepared for suffering. They don't teach it in schools. People are not prepared it's just swept away under the carpet and not talked about.

Most people I know won't experience very much pain in there lives. They will go all the way to their death without hurting much. Now there is the exception but still very few people as far as i'm concerned will suffer. It will only be very temporary. A few weeks at the most.

I believe God is not Real. Jesus can't heal people. He never healed me.

Jesus could be considered evil for leading everyone astray.

Sure. Jesus suffered. But what credit is that. So many have suffered before and after him. There were two thiefs up on crosses as well. What makes Jesus suffering any different from mine?

Nothing has changed since Jesus has died. The world has only been affected on the outside. We have Christmas and Easter holidays and people go to church once a week on a Sunday.

There is no deep change. People who believe in Jesus have no advantage here on earth. Jesus is a baddy. He confuses people by telling them to believe in scripture and his teachings yet no one can decipher what he's saying. Eat Jesus flesh and drink his blood then if you know what he's talking about.

Jesus is a baddy who does nothing for pain and peoples misery except create more pain and give false hope and promises of relief that never turn out.

Jesus people who follow him, who want to show him, prove time and again they are not doctors as they can't heal nothing and are pretty much powerless.

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

These are the signs of believers. Yet not one person on this earth can heal another by laying on of hands. You don't know what your doing. Christians can't heal people. If you can heal people then heal me.

I claim to have suffered more than Jesus. Maybe not more, but equal as there has to be a maximum limit, but I have at least suffered for longer. 10 years at least on the line. Jesus was 3 days. This must make me the Father, my length of suffering. Everyday just as extreme as being up on the cross. Denying the truth gets you no where except hurt.

Jesus is EVIL and the ruler of an army of delusion and lies of that does naught but evil. Christians can't heal people. They don't reach those in need, they walk on by people just like me. Christians think kindness is preaching Jesus and reading scripture to people. I sure could use some kindness that's actually real.

People don't believe me. Christians have failed. God is a misery. Jesus is evil by being delusional and preaching himself. If I preach myself as saviour would you believe me. Now I can't do any miracles. But basically there's no proof of Jesus doing any either so we are even.

Jesus is evil. When Jesus stops hurting people i'll stop calling him evil. If you believe, Jesus is hurting you for nothing but his own self. It's all about him. Jesus is not for you. It should be about you.

Christ SMELLS bad. Jesus is a baddy even though he suffered. His suffering was for nothing. It didn't prevent others from suffering and probably caused more.

The world needs healing. Death needs to be defeated. Pain needs to be forgotten. Just don't ask Jesus.

Please enter into this thread and give your advice about suffering. Most people are afraid.

I am AlphaDa in Heaven. (Our Father in Heaven) (AlphaDa = Our Father. I'm Da btw) (This is my speaking in tongues) (Could also be "All For Da in Heaven").

Allowed be thy name. (Silent H)

I've said enough. I dislike Jesus to the point of Hatred. His bible of 2000 years is worthless and junk.

I'm sick of the persecution and poverty. There is nothing in it but loss and to be pitied above all others.

You suck JESUS.

This is my pain.

Leeda

Why is there suffering? (serious question). It seems like we all know that there is but why?

Here's an interesting read from someone that suffers: A Deeper Healing (Joni Eareckson Tada)
www.gty.org...

JONI: If I’m breathing a little heavy, you’ll understand, being a quadriplegic for forty-six years is not easy. Even singing a hymn like that…O my goodness. And, you know, whenever I feel the crunch of my quadriplegia, the crunch of chronic pain which I deal daily with, I think back to those darker days when I was in the hospital, so depressed, so discouraged. I said, “I wanted desperately to be healed.” When friends would come into the hospital to visit me and we asked, “Should we read anything to you from the Bible?” I would always, always ask for John chapter 5, “Please read to me from there.” When I read it here, you’ll understand why.

“For there is in Jerusalem near the sheep gate a pool which is called Bethesda and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades, here a great number of disabled people used to lie, the blind, the lame, the paralyzed. One who was there had been an invalid for 38 years when Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition or a long time,” gee, if he thinks 38 years is a long time, I wonder what he thinks of 46? He asked him, ‘Do you want to get well?’ Jesus said to him, ‘Get up and walk.’ I cannot tell you how many times I would lie in that bed, straining to make my muscles move, and I would sing a hymn that I had learned as a child, ‘Savior, Savior, hear my humble cry. While on others Thou art calling, Jesus do not pass me by.’” But I never got up out of that bed and walked. And it seemed back then that Jesus had passed me by.

Word of Faith Heresy Exposed, A Call for Discernment Part 3 (youtube.com...) - I recommend that you watch this so you understand the deceptions that people like Benny Hinn are spreading. What is interesting about this video is that the one giving the lecture is disabled. Near the end of the video you'll get to see a great testimony of a man who suffered.

If you don't know who Nick Vujicic is you should look him up. Here's one: www.youtube.com... (about 10 mins)