America Didnt have Skill Needed--- UK SAS Sent in..Job Done

Originally posted by babybunnies
Seems amazing that the biggist military in the world couldn't handle this though.

Don't believe everything you read...some of it is pure speculation.

Does anyone really believe that US (with the most well funded, highly trained military in the world BY FAR!) couldn't get it done?

Congrats to the SAS though! I've never trained with SAS but I have with some Royal Marines and they are some tough hombres! All military's have elite units and some hard chargers in their ranks but anyone claiming one unit is superior to another is simply showing personal bias. In US we even have these disputes between our services. If you're an Army Ranger, try walking into a Marine Corps e-club and proclaiming your superiority and see what happens.

reply to post by Things


I am thoroughly proud of our SAS and SBS as the SAS are the world's best special force based mission success rate and overall competence but must say they are only human though it may be sometimes difficult to comprehend that.
The American's special force are almost as good and better funded with some nice hardware so I am not going to put them down and as one of our fellow posters from the states pointed out quite rightly we would be speaking German now except for the lend lease and the massive American manpower in the form of army and air force as well as naval that they committed to our aid though we had to pay a very heavy price for that same aid and America profited financially from the entire venture, also let us not forget Hitler actually wanted us on his side and thought we and the states would go to war in the 1930's so was ready to aid the British with his military which the British never new of and we can only wonder what we would have thought if we had, Still rather sell my soul to the Americans than satan (metaphorically speaking as my soul is most certainly not for sale), The French and the Belgians also have fantastic special force's as do the Israeli's (though we can only suspect they may be on a par with the SAS) and the Finish though no one ever thinks of them or the Norwegians have actually got some REALLY good special operation's unit's.

Overall the SAS may be the best in the world but the Yanks have so many of compared to so few.

Originally posted by LABTECH767
[ the massive American manpower in the form of army and air force as well as naval that they committed to our aid

Actually it was about the same as Britain commitment. It only after WW2 the USA armed force overtook us. In fact at the start of WW2 they had some issues with there armed forces with size and equipment with marines being rushed out to the pacific being in a pretty dire straights (makeing there victorys pretty amazeing). The only reason they could afford lense lease was the fact that the USA main land was not being bombed to kingdom come, nor were German forces on the verge of mainland invasion of the states (even the Japanese wouldnt have tried). What im saying is the USA was at the start of world war 2 not the all power military it is now. By the end of world war II diffrent matter of course.

There are two things I will takeaway from this thread. Firstly that budgetary expenditure can provide a nation with formidable armed forces assets. Secondly that the calibre of a nations armed forces comes from something much more deeply ingrained within that nations collective character.

Originally posted by Lacerta
"MY PENIS IS BIGGER!"
"NO, MY PENIS IS BIGGER!"
"NOO! MY PENIS! ITS THE BEST!"
"NOOOOOOO! YOUR PENIS IS SMALL! MY PENIS IS THE BEST!!!"


When will humanity finally learn.....

FAIL

2nd..

No wait, EPIC FAIL

3rd..

On topic, I heard from a reliable source that the SBS train the SAS? Making the SBS the daddy?
I could be wrong, and yes I could Google it, but wanted to throw it out there.

Edit: The reliable source is a lady I work with, her hubby is in the SBS.

She never knows where he is working or what country he is in (for data protection and safety reasons) but he did tell her the SBS are above the SAS in efficiency and skill. Maybe he's just biased, who knows..

Didn't the SEAL team that stormed the Bin Laden compound have to get advice on how to do the job right from British SF first before they even thought about attempting it?

Originally posted by OpenEars123

Originally posted by Lacerta
"MY PENIS IS BIGGER!"
"NO, MY PENIS IS BIGGER!"
"NOO! MY PENIS! ITS THE BEST!"
"NOOOOOOO! YOUR PENIS IS SMALL! MY PENIS IS THE BEST!!!"


When will humanity finally learn.....

FAIL

2nd..

No wait, EPIC FAIL

3rd..

On topic, I heard from a reliable source that the SBS train the SAS? Making the SBS the daddy?
I could be wrong, and yes I could Google it, but wanted to throw it out there.

Edit: The reliable source is a lady I work with, her hubby is in the SBS.

She never knows where he is working or what country he is in (for data protection and safety reasons) but he did tell her the SBS are above the SAS in efficiency and skill. Maybe he's just biased, who knows..

edit on 5/8/13 by OpenEars123 because: (no reason given)

Those are two separate core training streams with some commonalitys. The Army and Royal Navy have two separate training streams which have some shared pillars. So who learns from who is most likely fifty/fifty.

Both SAS & SBS take the same selection course in brecon beacons and Hereford.. only after they passed selection. SAS go on to train mountains and jungle specialist courses.. and the SBS maritime specialist courses..

To Things & Hotel1

Excellent.That makes sense, thank you

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by hotel1

 

Actually while very impressive Force Recon is still a Tier two asset (kind of) much like the SEALs or the Green Berets amongst others.


The real big boys of American Special forces are the Special Mission units that fall under the command of JSOC, these include Delta, DEVGRU, ISA and 160th SOAR and 24th Special tactics Squadron, these are the units that are comparable to the units that fall under the command of UKSF such as the SAS, SBS and SRR. Officially the Pentagon does not recognize the existence of these units. JSOC do also have some command over conventional Special operations units under SOCOM such as 75th Rangers when required.

Force Recon seems to hide somewhere in the grey area between Tier one and Tier two, while not a traditional SMU, Force Recon does conduct unconventional warfare and direct actions which are traditionally the roles of the SMU's although do not have a specific counter terrorist role. They are capable of preforming hostage rescue but that role is also covered by the Maritime Special Purpose Force.

I tend to think about them a little bit like the UK's Pathfinder platoon (although much bigger) or Royal Marine Mountain leaders.

edit on 5-8-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)

FR has a much wider mission capacity than any single special unit to include DELTA. Delta is probably never going to HALO in 200 miles behind enemy lines, blow stuff up and get picked up on a rope. DELTA is never going to do the sort of theater support special ops that FC does nor do they have a structure and training as a unit for the capacity. DELTA is very specialized and so has a narrow mission consideration.

its not that they were better its the fact that they had the skill set necessary to do the mission. And they were probably in the area and got called in to respond because they are allies.

The SAS and Rangers are wet operators,After the mess in Nicaragua most wet work went to the SAS when it came to places in Africa and the Middle east. We still have our assassins of course but that is probable black private work.
As to the east the worst is yet to come we are pivoting now.