reply to post by crazyewok
I would tend to really agree with you on cutting forces back in Europe. The Pentagon started this in a serious way last year, but that effort still
leaves 40,000 over there. Like you, I do wonder why, outside of tradition and just the status quo for a lot of reasons, we actually need more than a
quarter of that number. Perhaps less. I can see the major medical facilities and I see why. I can also see the air bases or at least shared facilities
with close allies going forward. Certainly not what we have now though.
As mentioned earlier, while some people have a real zeal to see the U.S. Military cut in the most meaningful, not financially effective ways? I don't
much care to see them take axes to hack away at what it's taken generations to build and may just be needed if the world does slide off the edge and
into war. It's funny how recently...MONTHS recently...people were discussing that very thing. Some still are ....while almost simultaneously
discussing how we need to cut the Military where readiness bleeds the most.
Well.... That's just a crock and here's just one TINY part of why. Keep in mind too, when I was on a thread with this not long ago, all the sudden?
Oh.. Gee, cutting military or government spending wasn't all that important anymore. Jobs were suddenly far more important. (Jobs paid for by the
workers themselves in taxes. The logic of rooting for more spending by Government escapes me)
CNN was allowed rare access to what amounts to a parking lot for more than 2,000 M-1 Abrams tanks. Here, about an hour's drive north of
Reno, Nevada, the tanks have been collecting dust in the hot California desert because of a tiff between the Army and Congress.
The U.S. has more than enough combat tanks in the field to meet the nation's defense needs - so there's no sense in making repairs to these
now, the Army's chief of staff Gen. Raymond T. Odierno told Congress earlier this year.
(Emphasis by me)
No sense even repairing 2,000 main battle tanks. Indeed.... Surely we wouldn't need more of them right?
"When a relatively conservative institution like the U.S. military, which doesn't like to take risks because risks get people killed, says it
has enough tanks, I think generally civilians should be inclined to believe them," said Travis Sharp a fellow at the defense think tank, New American
Wise words, I do believe. Waste? What waste? Oh... THAT waste! The stuff Congress fights tooth and nail to maintain AGAINST the stated needs and even
pleas of the very people Congress insists need them.
To be exact, 173 House members - Democrats and Republicans - sent a letter April 20 to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, urging him to continue
supporting their decision to produce more
Now given the fact Chuck Hagel, as a long time member of Congress, helped MAKE these problems? What can be said? It costs, as near as I could find,
about 400 Million per year, per carrier. So about 4 Billion a year to run the entire set of them. All 10.
So the more I got to thinking about things like the 2,000 broken tanks no one even wants, while they produce more of them endlessly ....and the costs
of what basically forms about 50% of the entire US Naval power... I got to looking.
According to a breakdown of costs
, the Department Of
Defense, not counting V.A. costs, is running 633 Billion dollars for 2013. (4 Billion to run ALL TEN Aircraft Carriers....recall)
This is what it looks like visually, in perspective.
The more I get to looking at what things *REALLY* cost by their own figures for the big ticket and high dollar core systems of defense they talk about
cutting? The more I come to the realization, these crooks throw MANY MANY times more in actual dollars into ...well? Pork, waste and corruption. By
the truck full. It sure isn't accounted for in the systems and forces they are ITCHING to cut. Cut ALL
the Carriers. Strip them and cut them
into razor blades. It'll cripple the US Military ...and you know how much it will cut off the D.O.D. Budget? 0.631%
Now I don't know which point is more meaningful here. The defense of how cheap the Navy is to operate those...Or perhaps far MORE important here? If
just over 1/2 of 1 Percent of the Defense Budget
is all it takes to run that massive symbol and core of our nation's defense? What in
the name of all that's sane and logical *IS* the other
$629,000,000,000.00 being spent on every year?! Cut the PORK Congress helped make....if
former Senator Hagel
has the guts to even consider it. Somehow I doubt he'll even think it. The corruption pays his and his buddies retirement
deals and private sector employment. Troops? bahh... They don't even get to vote half the time, since the Pentagon STILL hasn't gotten all the
legally mandated voting garbage worked out after years of mandate.
Pure Politics at the cost of actual, meaningful and real defense.