Originally posted by kauskau
reply to post by QuantriQueptidez
do you think there is something as an enlightened state?
of course this state is identical to what psychiatry calls Dissociation dissorder or depersonalisation disorder...
but thats just a word describing that someone is in a state that is different from the state we define as normal...
the truth lies in the middle...
there are enlightened teachers who are not so extreme in the way of talking like tony parsons like mooji...but still they talk about and from
the same state...
I just prefer not to listen to what they say. I think they're only grasping one aspect of what's going on, and latching onto it, all the while
claiming that they're free, liberated, and not owning anything.
I think the way they've structured their psyche is perhaps more healthy than, say... the way the average psyche in the west operates, but it's
wouldn't work so well for what I want out of life.
One thing of particular interest was towards the end where he said, "what is, doesn't need to know it self to be what is". That makes absolutely no
sense whatsoever. Not in a, "this is beyond me" kinda no sense, but as in, "this guy doesn't have a clue what he's talking about" no sense.
We're here. He can choose to call it an illusions, but the vast potential of the cosmos spread out, and swirled in on itself over and over,
transforming, and eventually sprawling life on this rock. We are the ability for the cosmos to experience itself in a limited state, and reflect in on
aspects of it's being. So his statement is pretty well rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
I'm agnostic. I see that we have no real answers, and what is seems to be beyond the mind, but I don't limit myself to thinking this absolutely will
always be the case. Look at what little we know of quantum physics. The way the universe works at the sub atomic level is "bizarre". As in, doesn't
conform to the laws of physics as we seem to experience them in the macroscopic level. So what? I don't then go on to think that the sub-atomic is
the ultimate, just as I don't think that the cosmic is the ultimate. They're all levels of the same thing manifesting differently. I think the same
thing is true of this "non-duality". If the cosmos is just one being, experiencing itself, then that's just one aspect, not the whole shebang.
We're still here.
People can choose to call themselves liberated for claiming life is an illusion. Go for it
It's just not for me. I'm okay admitting that my
life is rather meaningless in the grand scheme of things, yet still prefer to acknowledge that I exist, and experience reality to the extent that I'm
aware of it.