Millions more immigrants under Senate bill

This really upsets me. Large sections of our country are already overpopulated and now they want to rachet up the immigration until the entire country looks like a third-world megacity. All for the baseless claim that somehow we can't survive without tons of immigrants.Not only that, but the article practically states it will shake up our entire society, which is what the idiots in congress apparently want so they won't have any organized resistance to them. I'm going to write my congressman and hopefully the house doesn't pass this (the one thing I would support republicans on).

seattletimes.com...

Landmark immigration legislation passed by the Senate would remake America's workforce from the highest rungs to the lowest and bring many more immigrants into the economy, from elite technology companies to restaurant kitchens and rural fields.

Landmark immigration legislation passed by the Senate would remake America's workforce from the highest rungs to the lowest and bring many more immigrants into the economy, from elite technology companies to restaurant kitchens and rural fields.

I am calling BS on this :' would remake America's workforce from the highest rungs '

Face the facts people that's doctors,scientists,engineers, IT specialist etc that IS NOT who is coming across the border.

Immigration those are the 'people' who come over the border because they are 'poor' which is a win for the administration that means more student loans, more welfare, and every other 'social justice perk'.

When we are already 16 + trillion dollars in debt?

Recipe for Cloward and Piven.

I think you mean a win for Republicans and Corporations because they will get the nation of poor, uneducated peasants that they are dying for.

reply to post by neo96


So how does more legal workers into a workforce already under painful unemployment and outright crippling in some areas, improve matters?

Congress would seem to require a refresher in math. They're working this whole thing backward, it seems. When there aren't enough jobs..adding more workers isn't a positive development. It's a negative one to make everyone hurt even more.

Although...they rarely seem to follow the lines of logic the rest of us know and love ..so this isn't surprising I suppose.

Originally posted by neo96

I am calling BS on this :' would remake America's workforce from the highest rungs '

Ahh but just read a bit further and it says to the lowest. This is nothing new, for years our government has been defending the illegal immigration issue with statements that the companies need these workers to do the jobs American workers won't. On the other side of the immigration issues we have legal permanent immigration paths for those jobs that "No Americans are qualified to perform" so companies can import workers.

Way to have a lot of pride in the Country and the People who employ them, our government beleives that we are a bunch of lazy stupid people who fill in that middle range hole.

A great video about our citizens voicing their opinions on immigration and job competition.
For those who are not yet affected, this won't matter until it is too late.

Originally posted by Pixiefyre

Originally posted by neo96

I am calling BS on this :' would remake America's workforce from the highest rungs '

Ahh but just read a bit further and it says to the lowest. This is nothing new, for years our government has been defending the illegal immigration issue with statements that the companies need these workers to do the jobs American workers won't. On the other side of the immigration issues we have legal permanent immigration paths for those jobs that "No Americans are qualified to perform" so companies can import workers.

Way to have a lot of pride in the Country and the People who employ them, our government beleives that we are a bunch of lazy stupid people who fill in that middle range hole.

When ICE would raid companies and deport their illegals, every single position would quickly and easily be taken up by an American citizen. It amazes me that some people still believe that illegals are only doing the jobs that citizens won't! They think that millions of illegals have just been picking crops.

Originally posted by CB328
I think you mean a win for Republicans and Corporations because they will get the nation of poor, uneducated peasants that they are dying for.

Think you mean their opposites as they are the ones who want to make them 'legal'.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

So how does more legal workers into a workforce already under painful unemployment and outright crippling in some areas, improve matters?

It doesn't this nation already can't sustain the population of what it already has, has become so massive, so expensive, so utterly nonsensical we are all getting crushed from the weight of the state.

Really when most of the people here can't afford to take care of themselves with 47% of this country working part time adding more people makes sense to them?

Geez What planet are they on?.

I have to admit to one issue above all others involved in that that really ticks me off sooooooooo fraakin bad I could scream.

Remember all of the protests claiming that those undocumented or illegal immigrants are here because of our broken immigration system, and that broken immigration system was tearing families apart when a child was born a US citizen but the parents were undocumented immigrants, and they should be allowed to stay, and it was all about the families that were being hurt.

FAMILY FAMILY FAMILY

And where does family based immigration fit into this new immigration reform?

Beyond the changes in numbers, the immigration bill would shift the emphasis of U.S. immigration policy away from family ties and put more weight on employment prospects, education and relative youth. It also would raise ceilings on how many immigrants could come from any one country. And there would be impacts as yet unforeseen as the policies unspool into an uncertain future and economic conditions in other countries affect how many foreigners dream of calling the U.S. home.

Well that's all fine and dandy to the American citizen or Lawful Permanent Resident petitioning for their spouse to be allowed to immigrate to the US and live their lives happily and productively in the country they were told in school held life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as critical elements in declaring it's independence from Britain and forming this new, formerly great country

This plan seems like a last ditch effort to pay for the Baby Boomers Social Security.

Add 20 million illegals to the workforce to sustain retiring workers benefits.

They really don't want Americans to find out they already spent our money.

The funny thing is most of these immigrants are proud Mexicans (nothing wrong with that).

They just want a job. They want to live in relative safety. They are not looking for a new Country.

It might be time to consider annexing Mexico. At least their security. Build some infrastructure.

I know it is not popular. But look how many people are dying. I miss going there.

Originally posted by Night Star

When ICE would raid companies and deport their illegals, every single position would quickly and easily be taken up by an American citizen. It amazes me that some people still believe that illegals are only doing the jobs that citizens won't! They think that millions of illegals have just been picking crops.

Yeah I know, I've learned a lot about immigration over the last 11 years and I get so sick of the spew

reply to post by whyamIhere



You know there is wisdom in your words. I don't know if annexing the country would be the best approach, but I myself have had some thoughts. NAFTA opened the doors for US corporations to re-locate manufacturing facilities down to Mexico and take advantage of cheap slave wage labor, so the Boards and CEOs could line their pockets and claim huge earnings when their earnings were really nothing more than taking away from the value of the employment they provided with and then gouging the US and other countries with higher prices that "would become so much higher if they had to meet us labor laws"

Those US owned companies who have relocated manufacturing facilities down to Mexico so they can basically get away with slave labor, should be forced to meet the same employment standards they would be legally bound to in the US. It's not right as a human to expect less.

The US needs to slice away at the ineffective "War on Drugs" as it encourages the violent cartels in Mexico to continue harming so many others. Then what we go and send them guns?? Yeah that's good for the people.

And finally I wish somehow we could find a way to talk to those who have arrived illegally to find a better life, and help them realize and see just as clearly as I can, that years ago they might not have had the strength to demand anything more from the world, but times have changed.

Think about it, if they have the strength and determination that we saw here in the US during the protests regarding immigration reform, the marches on the capital and so forth, so many undocumented immigrants from neighbors south of the border especially, so filled with strength and determination to achieve their goals, they risked being all rounded up and deported somehow knowing that if they came together and worked together and supported one another and presented a united front, they would force change, and it has not to the full extent of their desires but they have made change happen. If they can muster the strength, courage and determination that we saw here in a country that they have absolutely no legal standing in, surely they can do the same for their country of origin, their culture, their true birth right, and their people?

Mexico, Central and South America are truly beautiful countries with so much history, and mystery in so far as they always discovering new - ancient sites and artifacts that are superbly beautiful. There is so much to be proud of and that has to be worth more than what they are fighting for here.

reply to post by Pixiefyre


Now this is just wild speculation. I am just throwing this out there.

But if you look at the map. Mexico's southern border is not very wide.

It looks like it could be managed.



Look just south of Oaxaca. This is just an idea.

The people of Mexico need help getting on their feet. Not their entire workforce decimated.

Illegals are the dregs of mexico. The losers who can't make it in the home country. They come here and if we give them citizenship they will all go on welfare and vote democrat the rest of their lives. That's the dem plan.

Originally posted by whyamIhere
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The funny thing is most of these immigrants are proud Mexicans (nothing wrong with that).

They just want a job. They want to live in relative safety. They are not looking for a new Country.

HAHAHA. Are you serious? They don't want a job - they want to go on welfare and every one of them will do that if we give them citizenship. Mexico is the biggest enemy we have.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000


Congress would seem to require a refresher in math. They're working this whole thing backward, it seems. When there aren't enough jobs..adding more workers isn't a positive development. It's a negative one to make everyone hurt even more.

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Congress doesn't care. They are all taking bribes from the illegal alien lobby.

Originally posted by neo96


Immigration those are the 'people' who come over the border because they are 'poor' which is a win for the administration that means more student loans, more welfare, and every other 'social justice perk'.

Nope,
Not all.
Lots of professionals, engineers, doctors and so on that come here to the states once they have their degrees.
Most of them make more here and don't have a few hundred thousand in debt to pay off from school.

Of course that's for a doctor.

People that have 200,000 in debt for an underwater basket weaving degree or because they changed their major nine times and ended up making minimum wage as a wild animal psychiatrist have no sympathy from me.