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Originally posted by donlashway
reply to post by Montana
Just heard on the NBC news engine not with car, read above.
Video I watched had tanker cars lined up to cars on fire, last tanker had flashing red light.
Montana:
These air brakes are not like tractor trailers? Need air to release? Air pressure to stop instead?
Getting stranger with each new data release...edit on 7-7-2013 by donlashway because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by donlashway
Just thinking could someone have separated the cars from the engine thinking they would throw siding switch and run the tankers into the industrial siding separately?
Originally posted by Montana
To me, this would indicate human intervention. However, are you sure they found the HEAD engine and not the REAR engine?
If the engine with the fire was indeed part of this train (meaning the engine that was on fire in the photo on page 1), this suggests to me that some of the information you gave us is incorrect. In the photo you see an individual engine connected to a freight car. The press release from the railroad states that the train had five engines. In order for this engine to be part of that train and in normal operations, i would expect any single engines to be on the rear of the train and operated as distributed power from the lead engine.
In either case, to find a single engine sitting by itself a large distance from the rest of the train suggests something sinister to me. It suggests that the alerter system attempted to stop the rolling train but was defeated by the prior actions of *SOMEONE*.
That being said, I have seen enough weird and unexplained things happen on the railroad that I am reluctant to say that this could not have happened by pure chance. But it's pretty unlikely.
Originally posted by Montana
OK, something just occurred to me.
The engineer went from Nantes to a hotel in Lac Magentic. With no vehicle brought by a relief crew, how did he get there?
Originally posted by gimmefootball400
I am wanting to say that these cars hit an object holding something more volatile than just crude oil...... The reason for this is that sheet crude oil, the product this train was carrying, has a very low flash point temperature. Plus, who really knows how many propane and or LPG tanks were in the area close to the tracks were there at the time.
After hearing and seeing all of the reports on CNN, Fox News, and the rumors on the rail fan boards. I believe that the reason behind this incident may have been a case of simple human error. If it does turn out to be a case of human error, it would be a disheartening conclusion to a tragic accident. If it turns out not to be then someone did not abide by the operating rules that are set by the railroad involved. Whoever the crew was on that train before they stopped and got off. They are going to live with this in the back of their minds for the rest of their lives.
112. Securing Equipment
(a) When equipment is left at any point a sufficient number of hand brakes must be applied to prevent it from moving. Do not depend on air brakes to hold a train, engine or cars in place when left unattended. Engineer and conductor are jointly responsible, through job briefing, to ensure equipment left unattended is properly secured and a sufficient number of hand brakes are applied to prevent movement. If handbrakes are not adequate, block the wheels. When the engine is coupled to a train or cars standing on a grade, do not release the hand brakes until the air brake system is fully charged. When cars are moved from any track, apply enough hand brakes to prevent any remaining cars from moving. Special instructions will indicate the minimum hand brake requirements for all locations where equipment is left. If equipment is left on a siding, it must be coupled to other equipment if any on such track unless it is necessary to provide separation at a public crossing at grade or elsewhere.
(b) Before relying on the retarding force of the hand brake(s), whether leaving equipment or riding equipment to rest, the effectiveness of the hand brake(s) must be tested by fully applying the hand brake(s) and moving the cut of cars slightly to ensure sufficient retarding force is present to prevent the equipment from moving. When leaving a cut of cars secured, and after completion of this test, the cut should be observed while pulling away to ensure slack action has settled and that the cars remain in place. CANADIAN RAIL OPERATING RULES—December 12, 2012 57
Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by Xzia99
I believe in some high-crime areas crew are issued locks to put on unattended trains, but that is not the norm. If you are worried about someone climbing on and taking a train for a ride, it's not easy to get a 'properly' secured train to move.