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posted on Jun, 15 2013 @ 01:52 AM

Originally posted by punkinworks10
As far as a global deluge is concerned, if there was an oceanic impact in any specific area of the ancient world, it would appear to those involved, as though the whole world was flooded.
In the case of the YDB event, which is the second episode of taurid progenitor breakup, the native Californians mythology records there are subtle differences in the flood stweories, that speak to these events.
Among the northern miwok, the world is set aflame, then the water comes over the mountains( the California coast range) from the west. This is consistent with an oceanic impact tsunami. But with the southern tribes the motif changes to that of , the world was set aflame and it melted all of the snow in the high mountains, which drowned the people of the valleys.
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Is there geological evidence that this happened

posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:13 AM
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Hi hans,
Yes there is, but no serious mainstream academics, are going to touch it, yet
Here is a letter addressing the discontinuity in the archeological record in cal.

LETTER California archaeological record consistent with Younger Dryas disruptive event Buchanan et al.(1)assert that the radio carbon record from the  United States and Canada does not support the extraterrestrial impact hypothesis, but their claims do no thold true for the California archaeological record. Fluted projectile points marking Paleoindian occupations have been reported from no fewer than 51 locations in California (2) ,and no fewer than 38 sites have produced radiocarbon evidence for occupation between 10,500 and 9,000 calibrated yrsBP (3). Only two sites have produced fluted points and early Holocene occupational residues together in stratified context. 

At the same time, none of the sites that have produced radio carbon evidence for occupation between 10,500 and 9,000 calibrated yrs BP have yielded fluted points.There are no archaeological sites in California that have reliable radiocarbon dates between 12,900 and 12,200 calibrated yrs BP and precious few that date between 12,000 and 10,500 calibrated yrs BP .The earliest archaeological record from California is there fore marked by a strong cultural unconformity between the late Pleistocene and the early Holocene that is consistent with a significant disruptive event of the type described by Firestone et al.(4)and Kennett et al.(5).Amore careful evaluation of the full cultural and archaeological record from the regions discussed by Buchanan et al.(1) would likely show similar patterns . 

Terry L. Jones 1 Department of Social Sciences, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, CA93407-0329,USA 1.BuchananB, Collard M, Edinborough K(2008) Paleo indian demography and the extraterrestrial impact hypothesis. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA105:11651–11654. 2.RondeauM,CassidyJ,JonesTL(2007)inCaliforniaPrehistory:Colonization,Culture, andComplexity,edsJonesTL,KlarKL(Altamira,NewYork),pp63–70. 3.ErlandsonJM,RickTC,JonesTL,PorcasiJF(2007)inCaliforniaPrehistory:Colonization, Culture,andComplexity,edsJonesTL,KlarKL(Altamira,NewYork),pp53–62. 4.FirestoneRB,etal.(2007)Evidenceforanextraterrestrialimpact12,900yearsagothat contributedtothemegafaunalextinctionsandtheYoungerDryascooling.ProcNatl AcadSciUSA104:16016–16021. 5.KennettDJ,etal.(2008)Wild fire and abrupt ecosystem disruption on California’s northern Channel Islands at the Ållerød-Younger Dryas boundary (13.0–12.9ka). Quat SciRev27:2528–2543. Author contributions: T.L.J.wrote the paper. The author declares no conflict of interest. ©2008byTheNationalAcademyofSciencesoftheUSA

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I'll post the geological evidence next.

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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:52 AM
A new project to take core samples from clear lake is now underway, and I am confident it will show the effects of the the event

UC Berkeley professor Cindy Looy and graduate student Liam Reidy explain how drilling into Clear Lake can reveal the consequences of past climate change, and help us predict the future consequences of global warming. (Video produced by Roxanne Makasdjian)
The lake sediments are among the world’s oldest, containing records of biological change stretching back as far as 500,000 years.

The core drilling is part of a unique, multifaceted effort at UC Berkeley to determine how Earth’s flora and fauna responded to past changes in climate in order to improve models that project how life on Earth will adapt to today’s environmental pressures. What the researchers learn from their look-back in time will be crucial for state or local planners clamoring for better predictive tools to guide policies crucial to saving ecosystems threatened by climate change.

“We are reconstructing the past to better forecast the future, because we need to know what’s coming in order to adequately prepare for it,” said project leader Cindy Looy, UC Berkeley assistant professor of integrative biology.

Looy and 16 other UC Berkeley faculty members – including paleontologists, pollen experts, botanists, ecologists and climate modeling experts – will examine the lake cores for pollen grains, charcoal and fresh-water organisms going back at least 130,000 years, long before humans arrived in the area. Using isotope and chemical analysis as well as carbon dating, the researchers will obtain a long series of detailed snapshots – ideally, every 10 years – of the plant and animal communities in the Clear Lake area and how the communities changed in response to “natural” global warming events. The analysis will also provide a measure of the temperature, oxygen content and nutrient levels of the lake, which reflect rainfall and water level.

“One way to check our predictions is to go back in time to a state very similar to today, with the same plants and animals and about the same temperature. The fossilized plant and animal remains from Clear Lake will give us a baseline for what this region of California looked like under similar climatic conditions, and when it was colder or warmer. We use that information to fine-tune predictive models being developed today,” Looy said. “Rates of global warming almost as fast as what we see today last happened during the shift from the last glacial to the current interglacial roughly 12,000 years ago, so that is one time interval we will focus on.”

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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 02:55 AM
Read this work,
It is about an area I am very familiar with, I've been tramping around these hills for years and can attest to the uniquenss

California Melt
There is significant evidence of massive fires, associated with major ecosystem disruption, and extinctions, at the Younger Dryas Boundary layer at locations in California’s North Channel Islands. See Wildfire and abrupt ecosystem disruption on California’s Northern Channel Islands at the Ållerød–Younger Dryas boundary (13.0–12.9 ka) by D.J. Kennet et al. The nano-diamonds, and other evidences, which have been found on the islands off the coast clearly show that the comet fragments were falling as far west as the Pacific Ocean. This implied that there should be accompanying melt formations in California related to some of those impacts. There are, and they are within walking distance of my home.

Colvin Mountain

lat 36.470550  lon –119.16445

Colvin mountain is about 20 miles southeast of my home. Prospectors have been poking, prodding, and core drilling there since the gold rush days. So we can know a lot about its internal structure. The 2010 Geologic map defines the mountain as Paleozoic mixed rocks. Which is true enough to describe the heart of the mountain. But there is no mention of the pristine, geo-ablative melt formations, and welded breccias, of its outer surface. There is also no mention in the literature of the fact that those thermal glazed, flash melted rocks are as magnetic as any meteorite.

This side of the southern Sierra Nevada batholith  hasn’t been volcanically active in 200 million years, or so. Or since the early Mesozoic. There has never been a volcanic vent here. Yet the mountain is covered in fusion glazed, and welded, geo-ablative blast melt, as pristine as the day it first cooled. And the patterns of movement, and flow, frozen into them at the time of their emplacement make it perfectly clear that the ripples of melt were being driven up slope by atmospheric forces like ripples of debris laden froth, and foam, on a storm tossed beach.

The Geologists of the past could not see the clear patterns of movement, and flow in the flash melted stone. Or if they did, they couldn’t conceive of such heat, and pressure, coming from the sky. And they simply ignored their pristine condition, and way they moved as a fluid. To be fair, those patterns of movement, and flow, are only evident from aerial imagery that has only become available in the past decade.

To one driving by on the country roads below, those vertical grooves you see running upslope look like the sides of an ancient, eroded, volcanic plug. So that, when viewed from ground level, on the Valley floor it may appear that the grooves are what we see when intrusive magma cools, and crystallizes. But those melted rocks do not consist of lava, or any form of magmatic material.

The ripples of welded blast melt, and breccias, are a proxy map for the direction of the blast wind blowing over the mountain. The melt is only on the outer surface. And the thermal glaze heat signature is more pronounced on the west, and south, faces of any given foothill in the area. The pristine thermal glaze on the outer surface of the rocks is a common feature in the area, no matter the rock type. On the lee side of the local foothills effected this way, you will typically find house sized mega breccias from the other side of the mountain mixed in with the welded melt.

When you stand among those rocks, and you have a piece of it in your hand, you can clearly see that it consists of partially welded alluvium, and blast melt, that formed in layers as the mist of high velocity, aerosol blast melt accumulated, and mixed, with little clumps of partially welded, ordinary dirt. And that splashed, and tumbled, up-slope in the blast wind. Like the frothing, debris laden, foam on a storm tossed beach.

All of the dark exposed rocks you see in these images consist of accumulations of geo-ablative,  impact melt.  They are as magnetic as any meteorite. And their outer surfaces are covered with 3 mm to 5 mm of black, thermal glaze, that has a remarkable similarity to accumulations of weld spatter, or slag in a foundry. Or the fusion glaze on the outside of a meteorite. And  magnetic, thermal glazes of the outer surfaces of those rocks didn’t look any different when it was still fresh, hot, and smoking. Except for some grass growing in the cracks, these flash melted rocks are almost perfectly pristine.

The entire outer surface of this mountain, and much of the west, and south, faces of the local foot hills is so welded that the Friant-Kern canal you see in the image below serves a duel purpose. In addition to carrying water from Friant damn, which holds back lake Millerton, It provides flash flood protection. When it rains here, the water runs off welded slopes like this like water off a roof. So the canal is also a rain gutter.

The Geologists of the past who produced the 1966 California Geology map defined the mountain as Mesozoic. And on the new 2010 map the mountain is defined as Paleozoic mixed rocks. But having hiked among those ripples of pristine blast melted stone, I can tell you that neither map is correct.  Because, in fact, those dark ripples of windswept melt consist primarily of recognizable fragments of partially welded alluvium, swept up into the blast wind from the valley floor. The melt is as magnetic as any meteorite.  And it’s all finished off with that fusion glaze. A short little day hike will reveal conclusively that the underlying structure of the mountain is non-volcanic. Yet that day hike will also have you standing among among perfectly pristine, magnetic, thermal glazed, melt formations. The likes of which, there is no mention in the literature.

The melted rocks, and flash melted alluvium, you see are a surface melt formation only. The direction of the material movement during emplacement of the melt in the area indicates the thermal pulse that melted, and moved that surface originated somewhere just west of there. But as a result of leveling the land for irrigation, and farming, there is nothing left of the original terrains in the valley floor.

Campbell Mountain

(Also known as Reedley Mountain among the locals)

lat 36.695991 lon –119.421076

20 miles northwest of Colvin mountain, and even closer to me, is Campbell mountain.  The 2010 Geologic map of California defines this one as Mesozoic plutonic rocks. But if you do the effort, and go to the top, and you look at the rocks peeking out through the melt you will see for yourself that the heart of the Mountain is Mesozoic meta-sedimentary strata, not plutonic rock. And the yet old 1966 Geology map defined it as Mesozoic intrusive. On those two maps from different times we have two different definitions for the same rock. And neither of them got it right. The black fusion glazed outcrops of blast melt you see in this image are of the same composition as the melt at Colvin mountain.

Except that they are not shaped like holes in the ground, the surface rocks of Colvin, and Campbell Mountains, as well as the outer surfaces of many of the local foothills, consist of materials like impact melt, and mega breccias, you would only expect to find in an impact structure. But no crater, and no indication of any direct kinetic impact with the ground.

This view of Campbell mountain is from my driveway

My home is near the compass symbol in the upper right of the image below.

As with Colvin mountain to the south, Jesse Morrow mountain next door to the north, and many of the local foothills, the entire outer surface is welded. But here the directionality of the patterns of movement, and flow, in the melt point to a source somewhere to the southwest instead of straight west. The wind swept blast melt was blown upslope on the south, and west faces of the mountain because they are facing the blast.

Along the lower skirt of the mountain most of the welded alluvium has the appearance of granite. It is  fine grained, and only partially welded.   And the parent material was Quaternary alluvium from the San Joaquin Valley floor. It’s not the same material as the dense, hard, large grained, plutonic granites of the Sierra Nevada batholith at all.

200 million years ago, the granite pluton which became the Sierra Nevada
Mountains was still cooling slowly. And it was covered by 3 km to 4 km of overburden.  As the Sierra Nevada was uplifted, the overburden washed down. And, with time, and continued uplift of the Sierra Nevada, the resulting sedimentary deposits became the meta-sedimentary heart of Campbell Mountain. Over the ages, continued uplift of the Sierra Nevada has exposed, and tilted, the now meta-sedimentary strata about 45 degrees to the west. There has not been a volcanic vent on this side of the Sierra Nevada since before it began to be uplifted in the early Mesozoic.

You only need to get out of your car, and hike a couple of hundred yards up the mountain side, to break off a piece of the truth, and hold it in your hands. This typical burnt rock is about the size of a small car. And has some very interesting properties.  Rocks like this are riddled with thermal fractures from cooling very quickly. And the whole rock is magnetic enough that any part of it can be picked up with a magnet.

Due to cooling so quickly, these rocks have an onion-like layered structure to them that makes the outer fusion crust very fragile. That same thermal fracturing makes it ring with a sound somewhere between a large drum, and a bell. 

There are mortar holes in this rock that attest to the fact that Campbell Mountain is also a Paleo-Indian site. Geology is not the only Earth science this site speaks to.


The empirical truth is that all of the dark outcrops on the south slope you see in the image above consist of accumulations of pristine,  magnetic, thermal glazed, welded blast melt. Exactly like the those  found on the west flanks of Colvin mountain 20 miles SE of here. There is no mention of the pristine, heat glazed burnt facies in the area on the maps, or in the literature for this place either. But the simple empirical fact, is that these burnt facies,  and blast  melted rocks do exist. And in a form, and  location where terrestrial forces can not account for the heat, and pressure required to produce them.

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An example

Here we see a small, but typical, piece of geo-ablative blast melt that was chipped from a rock on the south flank of Campbell mountain. The lighter, inner surface material is a silicate that grades from a fine vesicular foam, or pumice-like texture, to recognizable grains, and clumps of partially welded alluvium… ordinary dirt kicked up from the San Joaquin valley floor.  The exact chemistry of the is anyone’s guess at this point. But for what it’s worth, you can pick up any piece of this rock with a magnet. And much of it rings like fine China when tapped.

This rock accumulated from a superheated mist of of vaporized extra terrestrial  material, and aerosol, geo-ablative, blast melt, mixed with dust, and dirt, whipped up from the valley floor. The final blast of heat glazed the outer surface to a depth of 3 mm to 5 mm.

Below, we see an enlarged section of that pristine fusion crust about 1 inch square. And we see that some of the black magnetic glazes on the outer surfaces of these rocks are pocked with countless little micro craters.

And on the other side of the mountain

On the lee, or down-wind, side of the mountain it gets even more dramatic. And in the view below, we see the material movement was down slope on the north side of the mountain.

This melt has many of the flow patterns we would expect to see of a geologically recent lava flow. But this is not a volcano. There is no vent here. And no volcanic structure of any kind. This melt does not consist of Lava.

Instead, in the leading edge of the flow you see rushing down the north face of Campbell Mountain, you will find welded mega-breccias mixed into the melt. And the breccias consist of large fragments of the original surface. But from the other side of the mountain. Only impact events make mega-breccias. And only giant impact events paint mountains with them.

Near the top of the mountain, on the right side of the image, you can clearly see the tilted Mesozoic meta sedimentary strata that is the mountains true heart peeking up through the melt. There is no mention in the literature of the pristine blast melt that was splashed, tumbled, blown upslope, and thermal glazed, on the south, and west flanks facing the blasts. And in these two images of the north face, and lee side, of the mountain, we see the melt was pushed up, and over the top in a cresting wave of mega-breccias, and melt.

The atmospheric blast that did this, hit the mountain with enough heat to flash melt the outer surface like a chunk of wax under a blowtorch. And with enough overpressure to blow the melted surface up, and over the top, in a cresting wave of mega-breccias, and melt, on the other side.

Like a freeze frame in time, the patterns of flow frozen into these blast effected materials at the time of their emplacement describe a thermal atmospheric explosive event of almost inconceivable violence.

There is very little sign of exfoliation, or hydrologic decomposition in the blast melted, fusion glazed, rocks of its outer surface. Whatever happened here, the black, thermal glaze on the outer surface of the magnetic, melt formations is almost perfectly pristine. Geologically ancient is not a valid part of the description.

I’ve sent specimens of the rocks at Campbell Mountain to  Richard Firestone at LBL, Dr Firestone noted that the rock is magnetic. And he says he is going to test it to see if it is a match for the materials of the Younger Dryas Boundary layer. He also said it might be ‘some time’ before he could get back to me with the result. I’ll update this page as soon as I hear something from either of them.

This is where I get to make a few predictions.

1.) The specimens are going to be the mother load of ET Isotopes.

2.) If it is possible to get a reliable date for them, they will return a date as least as young as the YDB. Perhaps even younger, much younger.

3.) Since I am working from the postulate that almost 100% of the kinetic energy of the comet was translated into heat in the atmosphere, I don’t necessarily expect to se any planar fractures, or shocked minerals. But I see no reason to rule them out either. 

If we turn around 180 degrees, and look at the neighboring hillside to just the north of there (Jesse Morrow Mountain on the map) we can clearly see the finger print of the blast wind welding the outer surface, and blowing the airburst melt upslope.

The old maps call the mountain Mesozoic. But in truth, while the heart of this mountain may date to the Mesozoic, like all of the local foothills, the pristine magnetic melt is only found on the outer surface. What was interpreted by some in the past, as the result of intrusive magma crystallizing into columns as it cooled, are in fact, the result of  Geo-Ablative forces in a multiple, thermal airburst, impact event. The lines flowing north, and upslope, are a proxy for the flow of the blast wind as it followed the contours of the terrain, and welded the outer surface.

The dark outcrops at the upper, distal, edges of those flowing lines consist of wind-driven, geo-ablative melt. Contrary to some of the old maps, this blast melt is not even remotely similar to any form of intrusive igneous rock. And it’s not plutonic granite either. The blast melt consists of a welded, but porous, approximately 50/50, matrix of aerosol droplets, and particles, of black ablative blast melt, and a tan colored, silicate rich, material that varies in texture from a very fine pumice to still clearly recognizable particles, and clumps, of not quite welded, ordinary San Joaquin valley dirt. It’s some of the same ole dirt that I’ve played, and worked, in all my life.

Here’s the same ridge. But looking back at the western end of it from the other side. note the compass in the upper right of the image. the view is facing down to the south.

As with Campbell mountain next door to the south, here we see  the melt dropped out of the wind like a cresting wave on the north side of the ridge.

Campbell Mtn. was defined as ‘Mesozoic Intrusive’ on the old 1966 California Geology map. Because when you hold a piece of the surface rocks in your hand the heat signature is unmistakable.

But the possibility of volcanism here has already been exhaustively debunked. There is no trace of a volcanic system.  The aeromagnetic data, and the seismic data are as good as it gets. California has few peers in that respect. We know what’s under us all the way down to the hot, soft, and gooey stuff. And we have an especially good picture of the upper 10 miles. There is no rift, no fissure, no vent, and no magma chamber. Without those things there is no possibility of  geologically young "magma intrusive" rock here. And no possible terrestrial source for the pristine burnt facies either.  That’s why they re-defined the mountain as ‘Plutonic’ on the 2010 map.  There is no longer any mention on the maps, or in the literature, of the burnt facies here. They simply swept the uncomfortable truth away.

If you are a scientist who would like to look at a specimen of the thermal glazed, magnetic airburst melt from Campbell, or Colvin, mountains you can contact me through the email link on the right.

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posted on Jun, 16 2013 @ 10:23 PM
Thanks for extensive information Punkinworks

I did note that one of the links is the group going to do a scientific study so that doesn't t quite mesh with your statement

I also noted that he mentioned ( in the blog) sending stuff to Dr. Firestone over three years ago - what was the result?

Yes there is, but no serious mainstream academics, are going to touch it, yet

I cannot imagine why a serious academic wouldn't - I guess we'll see what the cores find!

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posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 12:13 AM
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Hey Hans,
Sorry about the ambiguity,
Yes, the core study is s full fledged academic endeavor,
but no serious work is going to be done on the possible blast melt products n Colvin, cambell ,and Jesse morrow mtns.
I know it's not hard scientific evidence, but I have been tramping about these hills for 30 years, and I can tell you the these mtns have no analog to the north or south, and they line up with a radius based to the south west in the central valley.
Please read Dennis Cox's blog, "California Melt" which I referenced. The aerial photos of said mountains are very telling. He is little on the catastrophic side of hinngs but he is a retired bomb/artillery damage assessment specialist for the US army, which gives hime a unique skill set for indentifing, such structure from aerial photos.:
I have personally held rocks from the area that on the outside are covered in melted and fused rock, but on the inside are filled with ummelted soils, around a sedimentary core.
No volcanic mechanism can account for this. Although I might not be a geologist, I'm am well versed on the geological history of my home region. There has not been any volcanic activity on the floor of the west slope of the sierra for two hundred million years.
And when you look at this radius of mtns from afar you can see the wind driven patterns of blast melt products, fins and waves of melted and burned rock , that flow across the surface of the mtns, over the crests that solidify into mega brechias on the back slope.
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posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 05:13 AM
World wide flood or not, ancient cultures all over the world talks about devastating floods, so it's clear that they recorded past cathastrophical events through oral tradition, then writing,

I believe there is something to the Atlantis story as told by Plato, simply because more data and details on Atlantis is offered than serves the literary construct of the story. That said, it does not mean that I take the Atlantis story at face value either. One of the problems (for me) is the war between the Atlanteans and the Athenians.

If the fall of Atlantis really took place 9000 years before Solon's account, then are we to assume that there was an Athenian city state in place 11300 years ago? Archaeology has not found any trace of human presence in Athens before 3500BC, so what 'Athens' is Plato talking about?

Also, the Atlantean empire is described as vast, formidable and powerful, still Athens single-handedly manage to subdue it. It sounds strangely reminiscent of the Greco-Persian wars, that took place only a few decades before Plato's birth, and impacted Greek culture heavily.

posted on Jun, 17 2013 @ 05:57 AM
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The reason I said it may have been due to a wobble is because in the thread "Lost tribes of the green Sahara" National geo reported that was a factor in the local climate changing:

For much of the past 70,000 years, the Sahara has closely resembled the desert it is today. Some 12,000 years ago, however, a wobble in the Earth's axis and other factors caused Africa's seasonal monsoons to shift slightly north, bringing new rains to an area nearly the size of the contiguous United States.

Clearly Plato is not describing a volcano exploding but an event that occurred in the skys. According to occultists Atlantis sunk in two phases the latter one being the explosion of a volcano which sank the island beneath the waves.

My own research has lead me to believe that Atlantis was once actually part of the faroe islands which once had a land bridge connecting it to Iceland, I wrote about this in a thread called "Atlantis located off the west cost of Ireland"

In his lecture M. Termier presents geologic, geographic, and zoologic data in substantiation of the Atlantis theory. Figuratively draining the entire bed of the Atlantic Ocean, he considers the inequalities of its basin and cites locations on a line from the Azores to Iceland where dredging has brought lava to the surface from a depth of 3,000 meters.

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