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Originally posted by InhaleExhale
For those interested in Masonry check it out, very open and not very secret.
But nope, no secrets here!
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
unfortunately no guides on sacrificing newborns to Moloch or Baphomet.
Originally posted by whenandwhere
You found that did you not ?
So where are the secrets ?
Originally posted by whenandwhere
These modes of recognition can be just as easily found on the internet and books . And if these secrets are "carrots" then the petitioner is joining for the wrong reason .
Originally posted by whenandwhere
Because you did not , does not mean other will not . This speaks more about you than it does Freemasonry . I found many things of value within the Fraternity .
Originally posted by thelonious2
Originally posted by whenandwhere
These modes of recognition can be just as easily found on the internet and books . And if these secrets are "carrots" then the petitioner is joining for the wrong reason .
The petitioner joins, at least supposedly, because he seeks "light". The Masonic institution lies to him by telling him he can find it in the lodge.
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
What if one finds the light in a lodge,
Masonry claims to "take good men and make them better". How exactly does it do this?
I'm very familiar with them, the "light" they claim to offer, and what they really do offer once it's stripped down to its basics.
Originally posted by IslandMason
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Because Masonry uses so much allegory and metaphor, the rituals and teachings are there to inspire thought, to encourage members to ponder on the teachings and apply them in their own way, in order to find that "knowledge" for themselves. It WILL be different things to different men. There's no way to say what it will mean to you, BUT if an individual is unable or unwilling to see deeper into the teachings than what's on the surface, or to take anything from them, it does say more about the individual than the teachings.
Originally posted by whenandwhere
We can not make a man better who can not or does not want to improve himself . The tools are presented to each Mason , but he is tasked to apply them to his own life . It is NOT OUR job to hold your (meaning the candidate) hand and tell you (the candidate) what you "should" be taking away from the teachings of Masonry . You either take the time to study and ponder on it yourself or it will all be lost on you . Which it obviously was on you .
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
So you have attempted to question every Freemason alive?
It seems you challenged yourself but were not up for the challenge you set for yourself.
Interesting. Instead of approaching my question honestly, you take a back-handed swipe at me personally. Of course, this is what I expect from Freemasons, it's how they operate. It's how *I* operated when I belonged to the cult. Every criticism of Masonry, regardless of how obviously true it is, must be silenced. And the best way to silence a critic of Masonry is to avoid his argument and attack his character instead.
That's the person I would like to talk to. That's the person that, for whatever reason, just can't be found.