My solution for illegal immigration and job growth

For years we have gone about the issue of illegal immigration completly wrong. Illegal immigrants are just like stray dogs; feed them and they will just stick around and become a nusiance. instead of beefing up the border; it is just to big to cover effectively; go to the companies that illegally hire these people round up everyone without proper ID ( don't care what nationality) and fine the comapnies for breaking the law.

once the compaines stop hiring illegals under the table this will have a two fold affect. illegals will find it to hard to make a living and go back to their own country of origin and this will open up job opprotunities for the unemployed.

reply to post by jed001


But the cost of American Labor is so High!~

I agree 250% ~!!!

To bad that won't happen. At least it seems that way, but who am I? NOBODY!~

reply to post by jed001


...No, illegals wont go back, the companies will go overseas.

It is never the illegals fault for working, its the employers fault for hiring.

reply to post by luciddream


i think that is what i am trring to say , its the companies who are at fault for exploting illegals ; all in the name of a dollar

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by jed001

 

But the cost of American Labor is so High!~

I agree 250% ~!!!

To bad that won't happen. At least it seems that way, but who am I? NOBODY!~

true, but the companies would have to cut their profits , to keep in line with fair market value. and if companies get fined for every illegal woking for them it wojuld stop them from hiring illeagals

reply to post by luciddream


Kind of hard to move agriculture overseas. The OP is correct however, you need to remove the benefits from illegals for being in the country. You need to make it less pleasant than where they came from. Raid companies every other week and issue a 250k fine if an illegal is caught. Second offense they lose their business license.

Deny all services to illegals except for emergency medical care, after being stabilized they are deported. No school, no healthcare, no welfare, no housing....we know where the illegal population centers are so conduct aggressive raids, round up and deport.

After a few months of this you will see them fleeing the country in massive numbers on their own. Not hard to control immigration if you really want to. Give them a 6-month notice before the law goes into effect so that they have time to gather their belongings before the hammer drops on them.

Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by jed001

 

...No, illegals wont go back, the companies will go overseas.

It is never the illegals fault for working, its the employers fault for hiring.

edit on 4/2/2013 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

most illegals are hirred under the table for , domestic manually labor. you can't send restaraunts and constrution overseas

reply to post by jed001


Hahahahaha.... You know what is funny..

They are already doing what you said about checking companies and fining them in New Mexico and now MEXICO is complaining because all of these illegals are now coming back to Mexico without jobs/money and they are ticked off. They are upset because it is ruining their economy just like is ruin ours.

The irony is amazing.

reply to post by jed001

yeah well many illegal immigrants do the jobs the majority of Americans don't want to do that they are to good for .

As for job growth many governments are stifling small business owners maybe we need a new approach of sustainability and not that growth in profits every year , some how making the same as last year is completely and utterly unacceptable and a lot of problems stem from this this is where they start to cut corners and lay offs and yes finding people who will work for less and below the standard . Greedy people greedy governments in a perverse lust for more and more wealth .

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Immigration Slows in Face of Economic Downturn

read the above article , when there were no jobs for illegals some went back home

Originally posted by freedomSlave
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yeah well many illegal immigrants do the jobs the majority of Americans don't want to do that they are to good for .

As for job growth many governments are stifling small business owners maybe we need a new approach of sustainability and not that growth in profits every year , some how making the same as last year is completely and utterly unacceptable and a lot of problems stem from this this is where they start to cut corners and lay offs and yes finding people who will work for less and below the standard . Greedy people greedy governments in a perverse lust for more and more wealth .

if people are paid minimum wage for these manual labor jobs. i am sure there are plentyof good hard working americans who would take two jobs to make ends meet

Your solution will fail in the UK, all it would do is cause more political refugees to claim benefits which our country already cannot afford to pay.

Only solution I can see is some how implement mass employment for everyone with a fair days pay for a fair days work which is not going to happen, or send them back to there country of origin.

Sad but true IMHO!

If a company cannot sustain itself paying its employees at least minimum wage than it has no business existing in the first place.

If they cannot find workers because they are paying too low than they will have to raise their wages to attract people or go out of business.

Saying illegals do the work others don't want is one of the worse arguments that illegal sympathizers come up with. I guarantee you this, if restaraunts go out of business because they can't find illegal dishwashers than some other restaraunt will take its place to fill the demand.

Same with farming, construction, manual labor...you name it. Some smart company will figure out how to make a profit where others fail.

Originally posted by jed001
For years we have gone about the issue of illegal immigration completly wrong. Illegal immigrants are just like stray dogs; feed them and they will just stick around and become a nusiance. instead of beefing up the border; it is just to big to cover effectively; go to the companies that illegally hire these people round up everyone without proper ID ( don't care what nationality) and fine the comapnies for breaking the law.

once the compaines stop hiring illegals under the table this will have a two fold affect. illegals will find it to hard to make a living and go back to their own country of origin and this will open up job opprotunities for the unemployed.

Works ideally but not in reality. You can surely control few sectors of the industry involved in hiring illegals. What about farming, construction, landscaping, cooks, cleaners etc etc where you will have to hire a huge team just to round them up on a daily basis going from business to business to streets to townships to counties to states to the entire nation? It is impractical.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by jed001
For years we have gone about the issue of illegal immigration completly wrong. Illegal immigrants are just like stray dogs; feed them and they will just stick around and become a nusiance. instead of beefing up the border; it is just to big to cover effectively; go to the companies that illegally hire these people round up everyone without proper ID ( don't care what nationality) and fine the comapnies for breaking the law.

once the compaines stop hiring illegals under the table this will have a two fold affect. illegals will find it to hard to make a living and go back to their own country of origin and this will open up job opprotunities for the unemployed.

Works ideally but not in reality. You can surely control few sectors of the industry involved in hiring illegals. What about farming, construction, landscaping, cooks, cleaners etc etc where you will have to hire a huge team just to round them up on a daily basis going from business to business to streets to townships to counties to states to the entire nation? It is impractical.

Not impractical. Implement fines on companies that are employing them and make them so steep that the company itself will rout out the illegals. Ice knows very well which companies are employing illegals so simply conduct pop raids until these companies get the hint. Start putting a few of them out of business so the point gets across.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by jed001
For years we have gone about the issue of illegal immigration completly wrong. Illegal immigrants are just like stray dogs; feed them and they will just stick around and become a nusiance. instead of beefing up the border; it is just to big to cover effectively; go to the companies that illegally hire these people round up everyone without proper ID ( don't care what nationality) and fine the comapnies for breaking the law.

once the compaines stop hiring illegals under the table this will have a two fold affect. illegals will find it to hard to make a living and go back to their own country of origin and this will open up job opprotunities for the unemployed.

Works ideally but not in reality. You can surely control few sectors of the industry involved in hiring illegals. What about farming, construction, landscaping, cooks, cleaners etc etc where you will have to hire a huge team just to round them up on a daily basis going from business to business to streets to townships to counties to states to the entire nation? It is impractical.

all that would have to be done is to expand the government offices that already do this job, and they could be paid with part of the money that is collected by fines recieved from the companies. i lived in huston for a few years and there was a vacant lot in downtown Houston, right next to the George r brown convention center where thousands of people would show up for day labor jobs , once the people were in the trucks you pull them over and start handing out fines for every illegal there. once compaines realize that they will be fined for this , they will have to stop or feel it in the wallet

reply to post by jed001

instead of beefing up the border; it is just to big to cover effectively; go to the companies that illegally hire these people round up everyone without proper ID ( don't care what nationality) and fine the comapnies for breaking the law.

That's what's supposed to be happening already, at least in the US. Another thing that might make your blood boil is a lot of those illegals pay into services via their pay cheques, that they can never use, which sends that money right into the pockets of the very politicians complaining about illegals.

As for job growth, well, you'll have to convince your government to invest in actual manufacturing of products within north America again, and since a corporation is a person, they have the right to say screw uncle sam, I'm moving to Mexico.

As well, fines for corporations who pay no taxes are meaningless, you need people doing actual jail time over this if you expect it to change.

reply to post by jed001


That sounds too rational, it will never work in the real world :shk:

reply to post by Hopechest

Same with farming, construction, manual labor...you name it. Some smart company will figure out how to make a profit where others fail.

And you are right, and the market has spoken. The answer is, move your entire company outside of the us where people will gladly take 1$ an hour jobs.

but when it comes to farming, sorry, you are way way wrong. Was it this last year or the year before? Tons of reports of crops going to waste because no one would come pick them, manual labor is above them, they'd rather get their unemployment payout.

It's a fact, people want to work, not all people, but the majority. But companies won't budge on their pay scale, the government sure as hell won't budge on the tax scale, so you've got people who simply can't afford to take that job.

For example, and this has nothing to do with illegals, but it is a loose example of what I mean. A friend, a seasonal worker, in the off season, is trying to find work. He finds a job posting, checks into it, does the math, and in fact if he took the job, he'd lose money over claiming EI because of the travel costs.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by jed001
For years we have gone about the issue of illegal immigration completly wrong. Illegal immigrants are just like stray dogs; feed them and they will just stick around and become a nusiance. instead of beefing up the border; it is just to big to cover effectively; go to the companies that illegally hire these people round up everyone without proper ID ( don't care what nationality) and fine the comapnies for breaking the law.

once the compaines stop hiring illegals under the table this will have a two fold affect. illegals will find it to hard to make a living and go back to their own country of origin and this will open up job opprotunities for the unemployed.

Works ideally but not in reality. You can surely control few sectors of the industry involved in hiring illegals. What about farming, construction, landscaping, cooks, cleaners etc etc where you will have to hire a huge team just to round them up on a daily basis going from business to business to streets to townships to counties to states to the entire nation? It is impractical.

Not impractical. Implement fines on companies that are employing them and make them so steep that the company itself will rout out the illegals. Ice knows very well which companies are employing illegals so simply conduct pop raids until these companies get the hint. Start putting a few of them out of business so the point gets across.

Unfortunately every agencies affiliated with the elections are deeply corrupted and do not see it that way. They all request a hefty 'budget' to make things work.