Mark Kelly's (straw?) gun purchase canceled by store owner..should Kelly be charged with crime?

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posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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Mark Kelly's (straw?) gun purchase canceled by store owner..should Kelly be charged with crime?

Did Mark Kelly (Gabby Gifford's astronaut husband) break the law by purchasing am AR 15 he planned to give to someone else?

It's called a Straw Purchase.

A while back an Austin, Texas gun dealer was sentenced to six months in a Federal Work Camp for selling....at a gun show....a weapon to an illegal who had a Texas driver license.

The illegal who produced the necessary identification to legally purchase a handgun...said driver license....did not present himself as an illegal. He had the driver license. That's all the illegal legally needed.

Then the illegal with the driver license gave the handgun to another illegal number two who did not have any legal Texas identification. Illegal number two gave illegal number one the money to buy the handgun for him.

Nobody told the gun dealer any of this. He just sold the handgun to a someone who had the necessary forms of identification......and illegals aren't on any background check registry, anyway. They could be serial killers back in their natal country, for all anyone would know.

But the story gets weirder. The gun dealer got six months in a Federal Work Camp. Illegal number one with the driver license got nothing for straw buying a weapon for illegal number two with no identification. AND....illegal number two got nothing.

Only the Austin gun dealer got jail time.

So, now we come to Mark Kelly buying an AR 15 in a Tucson gun shop. Then Mark Kelly said he wasn't keeping the AR.

Was Mark Kelly trying to get the gun store owner thrown into jail? Did Mark Kelly try to get the gun store owner jailed by breaking the law by straw purchasing the AR for someone else?

Well, whatever. The gun store owner returned Mark Kelly's money via a registered letter, cancelling the sale.

You just can't be too cautious with these gun grabbing nuts...can you? Cause only those who are obeying the law are punished anymore in America.


Mark Kelly's gun purchase canceled by store owner
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posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 02:24 PM
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The illegal who produced the necessary identification to legally purchase a handgun...said driver license....did not present himself as an illegal. He had the driver license. That's all the illegal legally needed.


Why can an illegal get a license in TX when because of Real ID, I am required to produce a birth certificate and SS card.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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I hear they are giving drivers licenses in California to illegals too. These are corrupt local governments who don't care a wit about American ideals or sovereignty.

I don't think Mr Kelly was trying to get the store owner in trouble. In the case in Tx, I think the gun shop owner could fight to have this overturned. Once the purchased item leaves the gun shop owners hands, what ever the person does with the gun should not be his responsibility, providing he didn't sell the gun with foreknowledge of the persons intent - they should have to prove he had such foreknowledge in court before the can sentence him.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by TriForce
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The illegal who produced the necessary identification to legally purchase a handgun...said driver license....did not present himself as an illegal. He had the driver license. That's all the illegal legally needed.


Why can an illegal get a license in TX when because of Real ID, I am required to produce a birth certificate and SS card.


Really. I'm having to jump through barbed wire hoops just to renew my existing Drivers License in my State. I'm having to provide my original BC, SS card, and Pass Port just to renew a card I've had for 16 years in my own State, I own a home and property in......


They said it's the new homeland security act that is making this the new laws. But, in Ca. I can walk over the Mexican border, get a DL, and food stamps, and health care, and subsidized housing, and free everything for any kids I drag over the border with me.

Something has gone very very wrong in my country....I don't like it!!!

Des



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by TriForce
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The illegal who produced the necessary identification to legally purchase a handgun...said driver license....did not present himself as an illegal. He had the driver license. That's all the illegal legally needed.


Why can an illegal get a license in TX when because of Real ID, I am required to produce a birth certificate and SS card.


Why? Because illegals are prized political possessions by and for Democrats.

In New Mexico, DHS has stated that a New Mexico driver license is NO longer valid proof for boarding an airplane in a New Mexico airport. DHS has advised that flyers must present a valid passport to board and airplane in New Mexico.

Sometimes the TSA will let you board with just a New Mexico driver license, or with an out-of-state driver license. Usually if the TSA recognizes you. BUT, you get a TSA who is PMSing and they will DEMAND a passport, per DHS ruling. Ergo, if you fly, have a passport just in case. Cause you never know what mood the PMSing TSAer will be in that day.

An illegal can purchase a gun with a driver license. Even though their names are not in any background check registry. A gun dealer can't deny an illegal with a driver license for fear of being charged with violating their rights.....while at the same time said gun dealer might be busted for selling a gun to an illegal.

It's called Democrat Socialist Party Catch 22.

Now I see Maryland is pushing to grant illegals driver licenses.

What else can I say except it all depends on which Democrat politicians (particularly one with a Spanish surname...and there are lots of them in Texas) is giving free passes to illegals.

And wait until you socialists go to the hospital thinking Obamacare will take care of you, only to discover that the last bed was given to an illegal.

Enjoy. So it goes.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 04:41 PM
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The Austin, Texas gun dealer got six months in a Federal Work Camp.

The illegal who (straw) purchased the gun for another illegal illegal, were not arrested or charged with any crime.

When DHS was asked why, the spokesperson shrugged and said, "That's the way it is, Amigo"




Gun Dealer Gets Prison for Selling to Illegal Immigrant; Illegal 'Middle Man' Not Charged

By Diane Macedo

Copeland claimed he was presented with a valid driver's license and had no way of knowing that the man he was selling the gun to was an illegal immigrant, or that he intended to give the gun to another illegal immigrant.

But Huerta, the "middle man" who bought the gun for Aviles and also was in the country illegally, suffered no legal consequences in the case. He is believed to still be living in the country illegally.

"Instead of busting the illegal alien for buying, they bust the citizen for selling," said Paul Velte, founder of Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, a gun-owners rights advocacy group from Austin.



Read more: www.foxnews.com...

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posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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Whatever Mark Kelly's ideas or motives were for trying to purchase an AR in a Tucson gun shop is strictly in Mark Kelly's mind.

And somehow I wouldn't trust Mark Kelly. I'm sure the gun dealers rightfully didn't trust Mark Kelly who announced he was giving the gun to someone else.

The way socialists work today, they could have easily busted the gun shop owner for letting Mark Kelly pick up the AR that Mark Kelly publicly announced he was giving away.

Now, had Mark Kelly been a Republican when his stepdaughter's pit bull killed this sea lion, the environmentalists would've seen to it that Mark Kelly was arrested.

But, it's California...and Kelly is a Democrat.

Sessa!




Horrifying video shows the moment Gabby Giffords' husband stops his daughter's bulldog viciously attacking a sea lion which later died

A horrifying video has emerged showing an American bulldog belonging to Gabby Giffords' stepdaughter viciously attacking a baby sea lion on a California beach, eventually killing it.

The Arizona Democrat's husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, is seen running to the bloody scene and shaking the fatally-injured animal from the dog's jaws in the amateur video.

The attack happened on Saturday afternoon near the exclusive Goff Cove Beach in Laguna Beach where former Rep. Giffords, her husband and his daughter are staying, Laguna Beach police said.


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posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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You know, I never really thought about it in that context... Trying to send the gun store owner up. Pretty friggin devious if that was his intent. And even if it wasn't, regardless of who the rifle was going to, it was going to be a straw purchase. He was specifically purchasing it to give it to another person.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by steel49
You know, I never really thought about it in that context... Trying to send the gun store owner up. Pretty friggin devious if that was his intent. And even if it wasn't, regardless of who the rifle was going to, it was going to be a straw purchase. He was specifically purchasing it to give it to another person.


Mark Kelly wants to run for political office. His campaign motto would've been: I sent an Arizona gun dealer to prison.

The liberal socialists would've loved him.

Now Mark Kelly is looking like an idiot who nobody would admit voting for.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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We do the same here in New Mexico, and our new(ish) Governor, Susana Martinez (R) has been trying to get legislation passed to stop it ( DL's for illegals) for quite a while - part of her campaign actually.
BTW, this is the same Susana Martinez who was Dona Ana County D.A. at the time, when Mr. $15.5 Million dollar settlement for being incarcerated in the Dona Ana County Detention Center in Las Cruces for 22 months without being charged sit in solitary without care & even had to pull his own tooth. Not trying to dis rail, but she actually seems like a not too repugnant politician so far here in the Land of Enchantment.

www.abovetopsecret.com... **LINKY TO THREAD RE: $15.5M**

I should learn to embed links, especially to ATS threads


I take that last statement back - copy/paste works
edit on 3/26/2013 by ISeeTheFnords because: Got lucky & had to edit
Oh, and I completely agree to the second paragraph of your post as well. But remember, "THEY", yes, the proverbial "THEY", have pushed to hold firearm manufacturers held responsible for crimes committed with their products, and they are at least one times if not two, three, five, etc. times more removed from the sale than the storefront business, pawn shop,or whathaveyou unless ordered from MFR directly. I don't, as of yet, think I've heard of any push to hold the ammo mfr's responsible, but I suppose that would be the logical next...
edit on 3/26/2013 by ISeeTheFnords because: i like replying before finishing my thoughts, apparently.
edit on 3/26/2013 by ISeeTheFnords because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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In other news today, Mark Kelly's family dog attacked and killed a baby sea lion in Commiefornia.
news.yahoo.com...

Of course, he won't be facing charges for violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act or leash laws. If anything, this proves it is too easy to purchase assault dogs.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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I would say Mark Kelly was buying it for himself, he just didn't want the story out about Gabby Giffords husband buying an assault weapon for protection after they came out against the 2nd amendment.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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I could totally be wrong on this, and if I am I hope someone corrects me, but I believe buying a gun with the intent to not keep it isn't always illegal.

A 19 year old can not buy a pistol, but his parents for instance can buy the pistol, and then give it to him, legally.

I know many people who have purchased guns for their friends, family, etc as birthday gifts, with the knowledge of the store owner, and they had no problem with it.

We are allowed to flip guns, say you find a good deal on a gun, buy it, and then sell it for a profit. This is common and obvious, and I believe perfectly legal.

I was under the impression it becomes illegal when you are buying the gun and then re-selling it immediately to someone. Not simply buying it with the intent to not keep it. Meaning if the reason you bought the gun, was because someone asked you to, and then pass it to them, it's illegal. But private sales and transfers are 100% legal, I can buy 10 guns and the next day sell every one of them, without breaking any law.

So I still don't quite understand what constitutes an illegal straw purchase, and looking around online doesn't reveal any specifics about what I'm talking about. Maybe it's a legal gray area, and that is the reason those two illegal mexicans weren't thrown in jail, because it's pretty difficult to prove a "straw purchase"



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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He purchased an AR15 and that was denied. He also purchased a 1911 handgun at the same time. Now how can a Texas resident walk in and purchase a handgun in AZ?
Special privilege for a senators spouse?
There was a stink when she ran last time about here resident status. He was living in Texas and she claimed AZ. The answer is: did he or did he not pay AZ income tax?
If he didn’t that is a second issue. The first being signing a federal document he was going to be the owner of the AR15 and telling the news media he was going to give it away to show how easy it was to get a gun.
ATF where are you????



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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What law did Kelly break? If the person he is giving the weapon to is a law abiding citizen then it wouldn't be illegal for him to give the weapon to them. In my opinion the shop owner was just being an ahole for not selling it to him.

As far as the guy at the gun show. He broke the law plain and simple. This is the bad thing about selling weapons at gun shows you never know when an illegal may show up. Any time you sell a weapon to someone you don't know you take this chance.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by daveinats
He purchased an AR15 and that was denied. He also purchased a 1911 handgun at the same time. Now how can a Texas resident walk in and purchase a handgun in AZ?
Special privilege for a senators spouse?
There was a stink when she ran last time about here resident status. He was living in Texas and she claimed AZ. The answer is: did he or did he not pay AZ income tax?
If he didn’t that is a second issue. The first being signing a federal document he was going to be the owner of the AR15 and telling the news media he was going to give it away to show how easy it was to get a gun.
ATF where are you????


Kelly's purchase was in AZ. The illegal bought the 1911 in TX. The illegal had good taste in weapons.



posted on Mar, 26 2013 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by TriForce
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The illegal who produced the necessary identification to legally purchase a handgun...said driver license....did not present himself as an illegal. He had the driver license. That's all the illegal legally needed.


Why can an illegal get a license in TX when because of Real ID, I am required to produce a birth certificate and SS card.


The BC and SS card can be easily bought.



posted on Mar, 27 2013 @ 03:09 AM
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Convicted by a jury of his peers. Perhaps this time the anger should be directed at other citizens when even though the Gov was wrong (by charging someone who sold something with valid paperwork).



posted on Mar, 27 2013 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I don't think Mr Kelly was trying to get the store owner in trouble.


I honestly wouldn't put it past someone with such a passionate hatred for guns like Kelly to set up a store owner to rid his town of the "problem". It's these brainwashed liberal morons that continue their crusade to disarm legal gun owners. There is absolutely no logic behind it, but since this man almost lost his wife, there doesn't need to be logic in his mind. All guns are evil unless in the hands of "authority". It's a cult-like sheepish mentality that liberals cling to.



posted on Mar, 27 2013 @ 05:07 AM
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Long ago while on an unplanned extended vacation to the greybar hotel I ran across lots of others that were visiting for gun convictions. One was a convicted felon tried to buy a gun he went about it all right as far as the checks go. Next thing hes locked up doing three years for ignorance of the law he had more than one dui which made him a felon. Another was a guy doing 8 years fed time for his gf saying a gun she bought was for him didnt get all of the details. Just a heads up do some research and be careful while buying a weapon if you have been in trouble with the law it might backfire. Its been 20 years for me and im still trying to get my rights back but its a costly process, maybe i should have used my head when i was young.





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