Company To Make Anti-Drone Tech Available To The Masses

Well ATS, this is either the start of the drone wars, or the downfall of the program altogether, although I doubt it is the end of the technology.

Tired of skies filled with robots? Okay, that hasn't happened yet, but the Federal Aviation Authority expects that by 2020, American skies will have up to 30,000 drones operating domestically, so the possibility of a robot-crowded sky in the near future is very real. Domestic Drone Countermeasures, LLC, is planning to sell commercial anti-drone equipment aimed at protecting private citizens from prying eyes.Founded in February, DDC was created by the same people behind defense contractor Aplus Mobile, which makes ruggedized computers for other defense contractors. Using knowledge gained from its military contracting work, DDC says it has developed countermeasures that are"highly effective and undefeatable by most current domestic drone technologies."How does the technology work? The press release was maddeningly vague ("Multiple layer systems ensure success by impeding typical drone sensors, infrared and camera capability and their effectiveness") so we reached out to the company over email. Here's what DDC's Amy Ciesielka has to say: "We simply do not allow the [drone] cameras to observe with any clarity."More to the point, DDC's system has some sort of software that's programmed to conspire against camera- and infrared-equipped drones. One report described the products as "land-based boxes."The company insists that its system thwarts drones in a way that is "non-offensive, non-combative, and not destructive." But how does the technology distinguish between a drone and a commercial plane? Or a drone and seagull? Says Ciesielka:The system software is required to make decisions based on multiple inputs to determine if the object in question is indeed a drone or not. It would be silly to waste countermeasures on a seagull, or impede any human piloted aircraft. Fortunately FAA rules set boundaries as far as the flight envelope of drone operation and does not intermix drones with commercial or private aircraft at this time. Our systems have a high level of discrimination sophistication and are geared to detect, identify, neutralize and alert of their presence.As for how a user would be notified of a drone's presence:The countermeasure portion of the system's operation will not be subtle when a drone is detected. It will alert the owner of a drone's presence and will create active countermeasures that will be obvious to the user.Not knowing more about what form these countermeasures will take, it is hard to speculate on the broader implications here. But when commercial drones start to crowd our skies, the market for consumers who want to win back some privacy will only grow. You can bet DDC won't be the only one selling anti-drone wares to the masses.

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So what do you guys think?

To me it seems like a complete waste of money and time, not to mention rare earth elements, when this technology can be defeated so easily by civillian made and sold technologies such as this.

Maybe they should have thought this out better.

Though I will be trying to get my hands on this as soon as it is available, better to have it and not need it than need it and not have.

Or is this a preplanned step in making the public feel ok about it since they will think they can defeat it, even though it is simply a giant light maker?

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The idea is interesting but useless. All a person would be doing is announcing to the drone's 'sensors' that they were early adopters of anti-drone technology. Right? You would be pretty easy to find as a blur of some sort on their GIS systems.

The world is not going that way; it's going to be weirder than anyone could have possibly imagined. It is going to be the 50s cold war era on steroids. We are not headed for greater anonymity. For the sake of network security, everyone is going to have to be exactly who they say they are, with a hashed set of 'credentials' ready to go to prove it. It will be considered the responsible thing to do to set one's self up like this; those that don't will be shamed (that's usually how society takes care of that).

So, no, the future is not about hiding, it's about being exactly who you say you are.

After, all, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?

An infrared laser trained onto the drones camera will make it unable to see. Im glad people are working on this.
Im sure such tools will one day be non legal. But the tech would be easy.

Originally posted by ManOfHart
An infrared laser trained onto the drones camera will make it unable to see. Im glad people are working on this.
Im sure such tools will one day be non legal. But the tech would be easy.

I agree, I have been wandering how long it woukd take someone to make an optical device that simply follows the camera lense and lights it up so it can see anything at all

Looks like it didnt take very long, though after the years of use in the mideasr, I would have thought someone already would have worked this out.

Originally posted by Bybyots
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The idea is interesting but useless. All a person would be doing is announcing to the drone's 'sensors' that they were early adopters of anti-drone technology. Right? You would be pretty easy to find as a blur of some sort on their GIS systems.

Not to mention, after ruining or breaking a drone (if they did), the government would only be going right back into their pockets, to make new ones. "Here let me take your money..to spy on you....its for your own good"

Originally posted by Bybyots
reply to post by inverslyproportional

 

The idea is interesting but useless. All a person would be doing is announcing to the drone's 'sensors' that they were early adopters of anti-drone technology. Right? You would be pretty easy to find as a blur of some sort on their GIS systems.

The world is not going that way; it's going to be weirder than anyone could have possibly imagined. It is going to be the 50s cold war era on steroids. We are not headed for greater anonymity. For the sake of network security, everyone is going to have to be exactly who they say they are, with a hashed set of 'credentials' ready to go to prove it. It will be considered the responsible thing to do to set one's self up like this; those that don't will be shamed (that's usually how society takes care of that).

So, no, the future is not about hiding, it's about being exactly who you say you are.

After, all, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?

edit on 20-3-2013 by Bybyots because: heh

I dont like your idea of the future very much, and I really have a hard time seeing it come to pass.

Just look at the reception the google glasses have gotten, nobody wants to be their data mine, a lot of folks have already banned their use in their businesses even.

No, man doesnt want everyone to know everything about them all the time, man seeks privacy, always has, hence person privacy being such a huge topic, and even so far as part of our constitution.

Only mao or stalin typez would like your future, not saying you are one of these types at all here, just pointing out the " if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide" mindset doesnt go over at all in most places.

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by Bybyots
reply to post by inverslyproportional

 

The idea is interesting but useless. All a person would be doing is announcing to the drone's 'sensors' that they were early adopters of anti-drone technology. Right? You would be pretty easy to find as a blur of some sort on their GIS systems.

Not to mention, after ruining or breaking a drone (if they did), the government would only be going right back into their pockets, to make new ones. "Here let me take your money..to spy on you....its for your own good"

No, the technology in the linked article flat out says it will not cause harm or damage, it will only blind the thing basically, making it impossible to spy on the user with drones in a visual manner. I assume they would still intercept your electronic traffic and all that.

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I dont like your idea of the future very much, and I really have a hard time seeing it come to pass.

Of course you don't, and I care about my fellow members, that's why I posted this for you. You know it's true, I can tell by the tone of your response.

Just look at the reception the google glasses have gotten, nobody wants to be their data mine, a lot of folks have already banned their use in their businesses even.

Indeed, how about in France where they ripped the implanted set off the Professor's face in a McDonald's?

This is going to cause a great deal of turmoil, that some will take to be of 'biblical' proportions.

No, man doesnt want everyone to know everything about them all the time, man seeks privacy, always has, hence person privacy being such a huge topic, and even so far as part of our constitution.

Actually, most do, I know that isn't you and I, but most are plugged in to social media letting everyone know what they are doing all the time, just as I am letting you know what I think right now, in rel time. The only way to deal with the problems presented by network security (primarily identity theft, and all of its issues) is to be exactly who you say you are

Only mao or stalin typez would like your future, not saying you are one of these types at all here, just pointing out the " if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide" mindset doesnt go over at all in most places.

Yes, what you quoted me saying there is called, 'prison thinking'. No one likes it, least of all me, but I can tell you for certain that it necessitates a way of being that we had all better become very good at, as we are going to live through it.

Best of luck,

Originally posted by inverslyproportional

Originally posted by ManOfHart
An infrared laser trained onto the drones camera will make it unable to see. Im glad people are working on this.
Im sure such tools will one day be non legal. But the tech would be easy.

I agree, I have been wandering how long it woukd take someone to make an optical device that simply follows the camera lense and lights it up so it can see anything at all

Looks like it didnt take very long, though after the years of use in the mideasr, I would have thought someone already would have worked this out.

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This anti-drone technology can be EASILY foiled by going PURE
vision recognition at non-optical frequencies (i.e. infra-red or ultraviolet
or millimetre wave microwaves) We could STILL see everything and
by using Microwaves, we could do a full 3D image map which can
then be image recognized for track or target ANYONE or ANYTHING!

For REAL anti-drone countermeasures technology, I could even
go use acoustic imaging techniques (like bats do) to do a 3D
image map for vision recognition technology. Jamming of GPS
wouldn't work because I could use INS (Inertial Guidance System)
or pure vision recognition with terrain mapping and feature following
software (heck! I've already got that because I DESIGNED AND CODED
that vision and terrain following code MYSELF in Embarcadero Delphi
running on embedded X-64 multi-cores) It Works GREAT!

With modern technology, we can build machines that can out-smart,
out-sense, out-perform and out-speed humans ANY DAY !!!!

I occasionally see the little drone flying around my area. Humming by; looking for drugs, weapons, or a couple of Mexicans crossing the river.

I have had dreams of how advance this kind of surveillance will manifest to. I was also there to witness its inception into war when I was in the military.

Hiding from drones? Better buy coverage before it becomes banned.


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Good lord, I cant stand you guys sometimes!!!

I only say that because talking to you all only reinforces my fears, never alleviates them in the slightest.

I wish I could disagree with your post, but I cant. I already made every possible point I could, and you only took a couple of minutes to shred them all.

Uuggh, star for you, I just hope we are both wrong.

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I promise to provide some even weirder help later.

Hang in there.

Do some google searches for Cell Phone and RF Jammers.

You buy jamming equipment from $30 to kill cell phones while you're in the movie theater, or more for equipment that requires AC power.

Invest in sophisticated enough Jamming equipment and you'll make the drones fall out of the sky.
They get no signal, they can only follow whatever programming command they got before signal loss, and if the drone requires direct control at all times, then, thing will likely crash.

There's jammers you can install in your car, and several ranges of sophistication for whatever level of personal security comfort you desire.

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"by most current domestic drone technologies"

reading between the lines here. As soon as you buy a new computer off the shelf its obsolete and considering the rapid advancement (never mind deployment) of technology just how effective would it be against future drone technology.and the differentiation of "domestic" seems like a double standard

Like you implied, a false sense of security to make you think you are immune from prying eyes.

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smart drone technology must have been in the works since the first drone built

I find it dubious to say the least that a sale would be allowed to go forward if it put their toys at jeopardy

"Are you tired of robots filling your sky?"

Said in the deepest spookiets Alex Jones voice..

"Are you sick of neo con globalists spying on you as you sleep?"

eerie music plays..

"By my patented Jones Drone spooker, and retake your god given American values. Stand up to the man and known down his drones, with my patented anti-drone technology. Only $499.99 plus shipping".

I wish I had no morals.. I'd be so rich off his audience.

Too bad I'm always hiding from those drones, and their terrorist bombs and rapid fire bullets, and the way they sneak around in groups of 10 and kidnap innocent people just doing their honest days work... or something.. I need a drone kit now gun war survival..

Originally posted by Bybyots
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I promise to provide some even weirder help later.

Hang in there.

Great!! I can barely contain myself.

You say,

American skies will have up to 30,000 drones operating domestically, so the possibility of a robot-crowded sky in the near future is very real.

If thats true, then Skynet from terminator is real.

But is it true? It doesn't look like it. Your source links to this page articles.businessinsider.com... which in turn links to another page, a report by a journalist at the Washington Times: www.washingtontimes.com...

The statement is made that,

The agency projects that 30,000 drones could be in the nation’s skies by 2020.

But the reporter never gives any references for this. We simple have no idea if this is true or not.

This needs more attention. If this is true then we need to take this government down fast because they WILL abuse this technology to harm the American people.

Communism, Socialism even some dictatorships are starting to look better and better.

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The drone technology we design is considerably more sophisticated than
consumer anti-jamming technology. I can show the camera on the drone
a photo of a target object, a target person and/or a circled area on a map,
and the drone will fly all by itself, using pure vision recognition at optical
or multi-spectral frequencies, (i.e. acoustic or millimetre wave) or gyroscope
inertial guidance system to follow ANY TERRAIN such as roads, rivers,
waterways, coastlines, bike and walking paths in ANY Weather AND/OR
recognize specific objects such as mountains, hills, power line towers,
specific houses, and even vehicles of all types, moving AND stopped!

And once the target area has been 2D-XY or 3D-XYZ image recognized
using multi-spectral 2D imaging single-camera or stereoscopic or full
3D object and terrain mapping, we then let the drone HUNT for a specific
human with certain facial features, gait or walking/running style or anyone
with the specified clothing type, colour, shape or accessories. Once that target
has been pattern matched to a specific degree of certainty, the fire control
system AUTOMATICALLY sends off an air-to-ground Hellfire missile to kill
the image-recognized target. No human intervention is required at all,
as we let the fuzz-logic software and high-speed DSP hardware do
all the work of pattern matching, object or person recognition, flight control
and of course fully autonomous fire-control.

This type of technology has been around since the late 1990's in larger
UAVs such the Global Hawk-like or Reaper-sized drones, but ONLY NOW,
because of modern Array Processors (i.e. Digital Signal Processing) have
we been able to shrink the combo Expert System and Imaging Systems
down so as to fit on even 100 pound (40 kg) drones. In fact it's pretty much
a nearly perfect duplicate of the Terminator Movies Hunter-Killer craft.

Humans are pretty much defenceless unless you have shoulder fired
missiles to take the drones down...but even then our drones are designed
to drop chaff and perform randomized and unpredictable evasive maneuvers.
ESPECIALLY on the High-G force capable, high performance drones!

So NOPE! You're Toast! --- If our drones can see you, you're DEAD!

Reply to post by Druscilla

Such devices are illegal and the FCC will triangulate where you are and after sticking you with a fine for illegal broadcasting probably turn their findings over to the Federal Prosecutor.


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