Jerry Garcia's wife admits she worked for Stanford Research Institute

On the Bus - Carolyn "Mountain Girl" Garcia

In the introduction Carolyn Garcia says that she worked for Stanford as an organic chemist and that she was around when they were doing experimentation with hallucinogenic substances. Later she says that the equipment such as strobe lights used in the Acid Tests were acquired from Stanford Research Institute.

This is more evidence that the 1960s counter culture was a staged op by the CIA. Think about it, all the music from the counter culture has zero to do with anti-war or social justice themes. The Grateful Dead, The Doors, The Mamas & the Papas, etc, their music has no social justice value and instead promotes ideas of disengaging from society and politics, essentially nullifying any social contributions that generation may have had against the government. The popular culture's brains were being turned to mush by '___', pot and empty music.

Abbie Hoffman blamed the "hippie movement" from detracting from the greater anti-war and social justice movement because all the hippies wanted to do was sit around and take acid. Jack Kerouac famously hated the fact that the hippies held him up as some sort of icon.

There are also interesting facts, such as the idea that the whole "look and feel" of the hippie movement can basically be attributed to one artist, Peter Max. When you think about anti-war protests of the 1960s people immediately get some false image of flower children marching in the street, but this is not the case, the "flower children" did not march in the streets, they were essentially a Madison Ave pop culture creation, which in my opinion was created to stifle social and political dissent.

But didn't everyone already know that?

Just like we know that Timothy Leary, Ram Dass and others were Harvard professors who "turned on" through research.

Ken kesey's first experience with '___' was during a volunteer experiment e got paid to participate in.



Oh so we can't say '___', how bout lysergic acid diethylamide?

Never mind missunderstood

Well to know the truth probably should look at the end results.

Massive government spending, Check.

contradicting policy that seems only to extend the problem (Fast and furious, CIA poppy fields etc.) Check.

Massive determent the drug and counter culture caused the newly rising black community fresh out of the civil rights movement of the 60s, CHECK.

Its like the system of a down song.

They are trying to build a prison for you and me...

reply to post by FlyingTeacup

There was plenty of anti-war music to go around, but it seldom got played on the radio. That's the case today as well. Would have been nice if the major names, like Bob Dylan and Jim Morrisson, were more active in the late 1960s anti-war movement, but they weren't (Phil Ochs was hoping Elvis would turn against the Vietnam war and end it single-handidly). Abbie Hoffman and the other activists who were against the Vietnam War turned out to be on the correct side of that conflict, as even Robert McNamara finally admitted. While Hoffman and Ochs and the others were standing up, people like Jerry Garcia was having everybody sit down. And Peter Max? Pure commercialism, who ever said he had anything to do with '60s activism? (rambling now, but that period is an interest-area of mine, and seems to be an era which rivals the 1770's and 1780s in U.S. history)

Not sure how to respond properly, just too much to touch on. That the OP characterizes it as "empty music" from that era I suppose is just a matter of taste and The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Grateful Dead, and others of that day should make but a minor footnote if that were the general impression the people carry forth to this present time. The 60's were my youth and teen years and I had a bit different perspective on that time that continues to influence my thoughts, actions, and conscience on into my retirement years today. Apologies to everyone that we did not manage to create a lasting utopia for all of posterity, but we tried. I would like to think we at least raised our collective consciousness a bit, and for many of us we did do that.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
Not sure how to respond. That the OP characterizes it as "empty music" from that era I suppose is just a matter of taste and The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, should make but a minor footnote if that were the general impression the people carry forth to this present time. The 60's were my youth and teen years and I had a bit different perspective on that time that continues to influence my thoughts, actions, and lifestyle on into my retirement years today. Apologies to everyone that we did not manage to create a lasting utopia for all of posterity, but we tried.

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Nah, this is a very hard topic to discuss here... My folks were hippies and I grew up with a deep knowledge and understanding of the culture.

-The reason so much "fell apart" was the hard Drugs and materialism which was certainly "planned"- The Black Panther Party was really improving neighborhoods and doing great things until the heroin hit the streets- Then crack "magically:" came along and sealed the deal.

-There is so much to this all which is very hard to discuss...here.

But I hear people talking about cointelpro (Jones loves saying that name) but they have b==never read the actual documents concerning the Panthers, John Sinclaire, Ann Arbor Michigan, etc..etc... If they did, they would see that cointelpro is NOT what Jones says it is and he actually fits the mold quite well

The 1960s movement was shunning materialism and corporatism, so the baby Boomers were given really good jobs and hard drugs- Enter the Yuppie, and bring em back in the fold.

We will never be permitted to have another 1960s/1970s again...And its sad.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
The 60's were my youth and teen years and I had a bit different perspective on that time that continues to influence my thoughts, actions, and conscience on into my retirement years today. Apologies to everyone that we did not manage to create a lasting utopia for all of posterity, but we tried. I would like to think we at least raised our collective consciousness a bit, and for many of us we did do that.

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Are you kidding? The events and people from the sixties took the world from one place and set it down in another, a place that is still expanding by the second. The personal computer and its reach - that's an invention of "former" hippies (is there such a thing as a former hippie?). The ease and comfort that people talk about so many varied topics, that's from the era. The civil rights movement paved the way for a current U.S. president, and from it sprang the women's movement, the gay movement, animal rights, Earth Day and at least a caring for the environment. Freedoms to discuss certain topics, the slow but sure progress made in acceptance of differences and the pushing of the envelope in film, music, personal relationships, the growth of accepted topics, and so much more can be traced directly to the 1960s. I saw a documentary on the '60s hippies and protesters and lol, they all looked so normal in dress and hair lengths that I realized that what looked odd back then was now the norm. So you take back your apology, and head held high (pun, son), stand proudly instead.

Another person getting info from a book without experiencing it themselves...a lot of what you say is correct...but more of it is not...

I was a hippies in the 60's...wore fringe and paisley shirts (look up PAISLEY) and I wore a WHITE PANTHER badge and marched in the streets...studied both the Mother Earth News and On The Road and Abbies' "STEAL THIS BOOK"..and practiced Trancendental Meditiation, wore flowers in my hair and went to Woodstock (The REAL-1st and only one)...

So...we knew Mountian Girl was a chemist IN the 60's and it didnt matter...it only helped us resolve to make changes with the continuing and growing support of those like her joining us all.....youre just getting it secondhand..and we knew then...we were right all along....

Your generation is doomed to suffer far worse than what we spoke out for and protested against...we did it for you and you threw it away.

Corporate America IS America...and we wasted it all for you.

And wheres you "OCCUPY" Movement these days? How's that going for you?

Peace...and pass the bullets....

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In re: you comment that it is sad a 60's / 70's world will not happen again. It is sad. Today folks are solo acts in large respects. Every cell phone, computer, tablet, video game...etc.....provides one's own little world limiting interaction and increasing isolation. In the words of Robert Hunter (lyracist for Jerry Garcia's work):

It all rolls into one and nothing comes for free
There's nothing you can hold for very long
And when you hear that song come crying like the wind
It seems like all this life was just a dream
Stella Blue

Robert Hunter - "Stella Blue"

reply to post by Aleister


Didn't say he was a 60s activist, but he is pretty much responsible for the commercialization of the counter-culture movement. He's a pop artist and his paintings are supposed to be a mockery of pop culture but instead they embrace it. I'm saying if there was a plan to set out and "create" 1960 counter-culture, Peter Max was in on it. He's also involved with a very large Yoga cult that has Masonic overtones.

Originally posted by FlyingTeacup
reply to post by Aleister

 

Didn't say he was a 60s activist, but he is pretty much responsible for the commercialization of the counter-culture movement. He's a pop artist and his paintings are supposed to be a mockery of pop culture but instead they embrace it. I'm saying if there was a plan to set out and "create" 1960 counter-culture, Peter Max was in on it. He's also involved with a very large Yoga cult that has Masonic overtones.

You may be right, I never thought of it. Peter Max's wikipedia page describes how the corporations flocked around him and hired him for all types of things. Coca-Cola hired him. So his images of what certain mental and physical experiences were became a "safe way" to indulge in those experiences without indulging oneself. I just never considered Peter Max as part of the '60s, but as a slick salesman and hustler of the images. What you're saying is that his images took on the power of defining the counter-culture to the masses, and you're probably, and sadly, right. He was put on all the power-TV shows, and people like Phil Ochs were never allowed close to a major TV studio. I think the Smothers Brothers put some people on, like Pete Seeger, and had to "hint" at criticism (as did "Laugh-In", sort of a play on words of "Be-In" and "Teach-In"). Thanks for making me aware that Peter Max's work was one defining model for people who never really knew what the '60s were about. (oh, and I personally see nothing wrong in yoga or Masons, so I'll have to study more about Peter Max. Especially what his guiding influences were in producing his type of art - if he saw the birds form afar, per se, or experienced the birds himself.) Although he came afterwards, Alex Grey more or less defines the field of art that Peter Max could only hope to come close to (and since I mention Alex Grey, for the "real thing" here's his wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org... )

From Peter Max's wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org... (EDIT: Max's wkipedia page claims he is a environmentalist, animal and human rights activists, and vegetarian, so maybe he's paying his dues a little late - but you know what they say, better late than Bieber):

Following his success with a line of art clocks for General Electric, Max's art was licensed by 72 corporations and he had become a household name. In September 1969, Max appeared on the cover of Life Magazine with an eight-page feature article as well as ''The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson'' and ''The Ed Sullivan Show"'.

It has to be more than coincidence that many leading "Hippies" were involved with the government and universities... It may amaze one to know just how many of them were army brats. Like this guy en.wikipedia.org... Oddly enough he was in command during the supposed "Gulf of Tonkin" incident... I wouldn't go as far to say the counter-culture was created by government forces, only that every aspect of it was infiltrated and used for N.W.O policies. Just like every major "ism" of the 20th century. The international socialist were/are master infiltrators of whatever cause can get you going..... The nihilism and apathy that followed was the real plan. Still, they realized their chemicals could really awaken people and quickly pulled them from general use.

Side note, you can post L.S.D. use the periods

Originally posted by Mykey057420
It has to be more than coincidence that many leading "Hippies" were involved with the government and universities... It may amaze one to know just how many of them were army brats. Like this guy en.wikipedia.org... Oddly enough he was in command during the supposed "Gulf of Tonkin" incident... I wouldn't go as far to say the counter-culture was created by government forces, only that every aspect of it was infiltrated and used for N.W.O policies. Just like every major "ism" of the 20th century. The international socialist were/are master infiltrators of whatever cause can get you going..... The nihilism and apathy that followed was the real plan. Still, they realized their chemicals could really awaken people and quickly pulled them from general use.

Side note, you can post L.S.D. use the periods

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Well, it could be that Jim Morrison was trying to separate himself from his dad's military career as much as anything. He was a very good poet who, if I recall correctly, was discovered to also be a very good singer. He didn't march against the war as far as I know, or contribute anything but his poems and music to the '60s, but drove much of the sound just by force of personality and later, his early death which shoved him up to icon status. As for the '60s being infiltrated and shaped by new world guys, I think they shaped it more by not bringing about civil rights sooner and creating that god-awful Vietnam war. They then tried to destroy the '60s with disco and The Carpenters!

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by Mykey057420
It has to be more than coincidence that many leading "Hippies" were involved with the government and universities... It may amaze one to know just how many of them were army brats. Like this guy en.wikipedia.org... Oddly enough he was in command during the supposed "Gulf of Tonkin" incident... I wouldn't go as far to say the counter-culture was created by government forces, only that every aspect of it was infiltrated and used for N.W.O policies. Just like every major "ism" of the 20th century. The international socialist were/are master infiltrators of whatever cause can get you going..... The nihilism and apathy that followed was the real plan. Still, they realized their chemicals could really awaken people and quickly pulled them from general use.

Side note, you can post L.S.D. use the periods

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

Well, it could be that Jim Morrison was trying to separate himself from his dad's military career as much as anything. He was a very good poet who, if I recall correctly, was discovered to also be a very good singer. He didn't march against the war as far as I know, or contribute anything but his poems and music to the '60s, but drove much of the sound just by force of personality and later, his early death which shoved him up to icon status. As for the '60s being infiltrated and shaped by new world guys, I think they shaped it more by not bringing about civil rights sooner and creating that god-awful Vietnam war. They then tried to destroy the '60s with disco and The Carpenters!

Don't get me wrong, I love The Doors. And he wasn't the ONLY army brat of the counter-culture. I'll let you do your own research on that. There were many others...

At least you admit the involvement of the N.W.O in the civil rights movement, regardless of whether you agree with it's principals, or not. It was harnessed to cause as much disruption in society as possible. As for Vietnam.... Every generation needs it's war. It's the health of the state after all.

The end of that era is one of the saddest for me... Grand dreams slowly slipped to grander nightmares. The hope of bliss to the promise of decadence. From union to disillusion. The mountains we climbed only to fall.... Tragically beautiful.

Originally posted by Mykey057420

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by Mykey057420
It has to be more than coincidence that many leading "Hippies" were involved with the government and universities... It may amaze one to know just how many of them were army brats. Like this guy en.wikipedia.org... Oddly enough he was in command during the supposed "Gulf of Tonkin" incident... I wouldn't go as far to say the counter-culture was created by government forces, only that every aspect of it was infiltrated and used for N.W.O policies. Just like every major "ism" of the 20th century. The international socialist were/are master infiltrators of whatever cause can get you going..... The nihilism and apathy that followed was the real plan. Still, they realized their chemicals could really awaken people and quickly pulled them from general use.

Side note, you can post L.S.D. use the periods

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

Well, it could be that Jim Morrison was trying to separate himself from his dad's military career as much as anything. He was a very good poet who, if I recall correctly, was discovered to also be a very good singer. He didn't march against the war as far as I know, or contribute anything but his poems and music to the '60s, but drove much of the sound just by force of personality and later, his early death which shoved him up to icon status. As for the '60s being infiltrated and shaped by new world guys, I think they shaped it more by not bringing about civil rights sooner and creating that god-awful Vietnam war. They then tried to destroy the '60s with disco and The Carpenters!

Don't get me wrong, I love The Doors.

And he wasn't the ONLY army brat of the counter-culture. I'll let you do your own research on that. There were many others...

At least you admit the involvement of the N.W.O in the civil rights movement, regardless of whether you agree with it's principals, or not. It was harnessed to cause as much disruption in society as possible. As for Vietnam.... Every generation needs it's war. It's the health of the state after all.

The end of that era is one of the saddest for me... Grand dreams slowly slipped to grander nightmares. The hope of bliss to the promise of decadence. From union to disillusion. The mountains we climbed only to fall.... Tragically beautiful.

No, the NWO had nothing to do with the civil rights movement, outside of, like I said, not bringing about de-segregation earlier. The civil rights movement was not disruptive either, not in any sense of the word. All the participants did was take a few walks, stand in a few lines, and sit down in a chair. Birmingham, taking a walk. Sema, standing in lines, then taking a walk. Chicago, walking. The lunch counter sit-ins, sitting in a chair. Bus Boycott, first sitting in a chair, then not sitting in chairs. Freedom Ride, sitting in a chair. Open Theater movement, standing in line. All of these walks, sits, and standing were done with respect, with nonviolence, and with dignity. It was a very simple movement, and all that was needed to make it simple was to train the people to not express their anger when provoked or hurt. That's what made it profound and non-disruptive.

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by Mykey057420

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by Mykey057420
It has to be more than coincidence that many leading "Hippies" were involved with the government and universities... It may amaze one to know just how many of them were army brats. Like this guy en.wikipedia.org... Oddly enough he was in command during the supposed "Gulf of Tonkin" incident... I wouldn't go as far to say the counter-culture was created by government forces, only that every aspect of it was infiltrated and used for N.W.O policies. Just like every major "ism" of the 20th century. The international socialist were/are master infiltrators of whatever cause can get you going..... The nihilism and apathy that followed was the real plan. Still, they realized their chemicals could really awaken people and quickly pulled them from general use.

Side note, you can post L.S.D. use the periods

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

Well, it could be that Jim Morrison was trying to separate himself from his dad's military career as much as anything. He was a very good poet who, if I recall correctly, was discovered to also be a very good singer. He didn't march against the war as far as I know, or contribute anything but his poems and music to the '60s, but drove much of the sound just by force of personality and later, his early death which shoved him up to icon status. As for the '60s being infiltrated and shaped by new world guys, I think they shaped it more by not bringing about civil rights sooner and creating that god-awful Vietnam war. They then tried to destroy the '60s with disco and The Carpenters!

Don't get me wrong, I love The Doors.

And he wasn't the ONLY army brat of the counter-culture. I'll let you do your own research on that. There were many others...

At least you admit the involvement of the N.W.O in the civil rights movement, regardless of whether you agree with it's principals, or not. It was harnessed to cause as much disruption in society as possible. As for Vietnam.... Every generation needs it's war. It's the health of the state after all.

The end of that era is one of the saddest for me... Grand dreams slowly slipped to grander nightmares. The hope of bliss to the promise of decadence. From union to disillusion. The mountains we climbed only to fall.... Tragically beautiful.

No, the NWO had nothing to do with the civil rights movement, outside of, like I said, not bringing about de-segregation earlier. The civil rights movement was not disruptive either, not in any sense of the word. All the participants did was take a few walks, stand in a few lines, and sit down in a chair. Birmingham, taking a walk. Sema, standing in lines, then taking a walk. Chicago, walking. The lunch counter sit-ins, sitting in a chair. Bus Boycott, first sitting in a chair, then not sitting in chairs. Freedom Ride, sitting in a chair. Open Theater movement, standing in line. All of these walks, sits, and standing were done with respect, with nonviolence, and with dignity. It was a very simple movement, and all that was needed to make it simple was to train the people to not express their anger when provoked or hurt. That's what made it profound and non-disruptive.

You are seriously telling me the civil rights movements wasn't backed by the international socialist? The watts riots weren't disruptive? Kent state wasn't a field day for the russians? You think the black panthers and the weatherman underground didn't have backing from other groups? I think you are leaving out what you may not like, or perhaps you are just ignorant of the NWO's involvement in anything to weaken america at that time...

Originally posted by Mykey057420

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by Mykey057420

Originally posted by Aleister

Originally posted by Mykey057420
It has to be more than coincidence that many leading "Hippies" were involved with the government and universities... It may amaze one to know just how many of them were army brats. Like this guy en.wikipedia.org... Oddly enough he was in command during the supposed "Gulf of Tonkin" incident... I wouldn't go as far to say the counter-culture was created by government forces, only that every aspect of it was infiltrated and used for N.W.O policies. Just like every major "ism" of the 20th century. The international socialist were/are master infiltrators of whatever cause can get you going..... The nihilism and apathy that followed was the real plan. Still, they realized their chemicals could really awaken people and quickly pulled them from general use.

Side note, you can post L.S.D. use the periods

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-3-2013 by Mykey057420 because: (no reason given)

Well, it could be that Jim Morrison was trying to separate himself from his dad's military career as much as anything. He was a very good poet who, if I recall correctly, was discovered to also be a very good singer. He didn't march against the war as far as I know, or contribute anything but his poems and music to the '60s, but drove much of the sound just by force of personality and later, his early death which shoved him up to icon status. As for the '60s being infiltrated and shaped by new world guys, I think they shaped it more by not bringing about civil rights sooner and creating that god-awful Vietnam war. They then tried to destroy the '60s with disco and The Carpenters!

Don't get me wrong, I love The Doors.

And he wasn't the ONLY army brat of the counter-culture. I'll let you do your own research on that. There were many others...

At least you admit the involvement of the N.W.O in the civil rights movement, regardless of whether you agree with it's principals, or not. It was harnessed to cause as much disruption in society as possible. As for Vietnam.... Every generation needs it's war. It's the health of the state after all.

The end of that era is one of the saddest for me... Grand dreams slowly slipped to grander nightmares. The hope of bliss to the promise of decadence. From union to disillusion. The mountains we climbed only to fall.... Tragically beautiful.

No, the NWO had nothing to do with the civil rights movement, outside of, like I said, not bringing about de-segregation earlier. The civil rights movement was not disruptive either, not in any sense of the word. All the participants did was take a few walks, stand in a few lines, and sit down in a chair. Birmingham, taking a walk. Sema, standing in lines, then taking a walk. Chicago, walking. The lunch counter sit-ins, sitting in a chair. Bus Boycott, first sitting in a chair, then not sitting in chairs. Freedom Ride, sitting in a chair. Open Theater movement, standing in line. All of these walks, sits, and standing were done with respect, with nonviolence, and with dignity. It was a very simple movement, and all that was needed to make it simple was to train the people to not express their anger when provoked or hurt. That's what made it profound and non-disruptive.

You are seriously telling me the civil rights movements wasn't backed by the international socialist? The watts riots weren't disruptive? Kent state wasn't a field day for the russians? You think the black panthers and the weatherman underground didn't have backing from other groups? I think you are leaving out what you may not like, or perhaps you are just ignorant of the NWO's involvement in anything to weaken america at that time...

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None of the things you mention were part of the 1950s and 1960s Civil Rights Movement. The term applies to a very specific subject and series of events, none of which you have mentioned in your last post. So it just seems like a miscommunication between definitions. I don't know enough about who or what was involved in the incidents you mention - although Kent State was an obvious screw up by the Ohio National Guard. I'm glad we "spoke" enough to work through our differing definitions.

originally posted by: Aleister
reply to post by FlyingTeacup

 

There was plenty of anti-war music to go around, but it seldom got played on the radio. That's the case today as well. Would have been nice if the major names, like Bob Dylan and Jim Morrisson, were more active in the late 1960s anti-war movement, but they weren't (Phil Ochs was hoping Elvis would turn against the Vietnam war and end it single-handidly). Abbie Hoffman and the other activists who were against the Vietnam War turned out to be on the correct side of that conflict, as even Robert McNamara finally admitted. While Hoffman and Ochs and the others were standing up, people like Jerry Garcia was having everybody sit down. And Peter Max? Pure commercialism, who ever said he had anything to do with '60s activism? (rambling now, but that period is an interest-area of mine, and seems to be an era which rivals the 1770's and 1780s in U.S. history)

There were famous bands that were putting out anti-war and real anti-establishment music, from Buffalo Springfield to Creedence Clearwater Revival.

Also, guys, part of the whole philosophy of the counterculture continues to this day to shift the consciousness of first oneself and then society generally as the only real long term way to generate change. This shift is thought to necessitate everything from education to psychoactive chemicals to meditation and yoga.

So, you can disagree with some of them not protesting, but they were trying to change the paradigm.

Also, contrary to your views on the counterculture not protesting, from my own personal experience in the California counterculture, the counterculture is very much correlated with protest and not buying the official on a lot of things.