Iran fails to intercept Predator UAV

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by ken10

 

Unarmed commercial aircraft flying under 16 miles is a completely different scenario as you are well aware. Armed aircraft flying with the possible intent of shooting down an aircraft in international airspace (as Iran has attempted before) carry missiles that range out to close to 100 miles.

Then it would be a pretty safe assumption that if they were a threat they would have already fired.

This quote from you kind of proves some of the other posters point about US arrogance in international areas. I should really call this NATO arrogance though, as it seems to be systematic of all NATO county's operating abroad.

I wonder why the Russian never seem to make a stink when any NATO (mostly US or Canadian) fighter aircraft come significantly closer than 16 km to them...military flights and some non-military flights?

Are they more secure in their understanding of international law, or do they just not have the paranoia that seems to infect the Western governments? Or do they just understand the concept that when you are flying close to a country that you are not exactly friends with, it is expected, and that nothing will come of it unless the aggressors (the person with aircraft on the far side of the planet) make the first move.

Originally posted by amkia
title should be renamed as (another attempt and acts of provocations by the Americans failed) imho.

The provocation was on the Iranian side.

From time to time, the Iranian commanders like to test the resolve of the western forces, sometimes with boats, others with aircraft, and often in international water/airspace.

The USA showed restraint. As they often do.. That is seen as weakness and cowardice by the Iranians.

The Iranians must be seen as the victims of unjust aggression from the west and Israel, there are members of a united Muslim front seeking to provoke that aggression. The west and Israel would be wise to not take the bait.

Restraint has limits, the Iranians know very well where the line is. They have and will continue to test those boundaries.

reply to post by pheonix358


I could not agree more. Why do people think its ok for us to harass and provoke Iran? Have you people who are acting like this is some reality show not remember the lies told to get us tangled up in Iraq? Now you are ok with this? Iraq is the staging area of our run up to Iran.

My nation The former great USA and Israel are making this world a very unsafe place. Gambling with odds that are way to risky. This damn thing is what I have always known would be the best case scenario for WWIII to get started.

Those stakes are to high. We are wrong, the only nation that can put my nation in check is my people.

Americans wake up you do not want this on your conscience for all mankind to remember for as long as we are a living species.

reply to post by peck420


Then why is it that the American military is the only military that has NOT shot down an aircraft flying near their airspace (or attempted to) if they're so arrogant? Any country has the right to warn off another country operating near their aircraft as long as they are not operating over said country. A whole different set of rules come in to play then.

To date Iranian fighters have used guns in their attacks on UAVs. That prevents an errant shot hitting something else and let's them get close up camera footage to show off.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


Because Iran isn't the only thing happening in that part of the world. There are plenty of other things there, including military allies that we operate with. So according to you guys we should just stop being anywhere near that pay of the world to not provoke Iran?

Not wishing to get into the argument of what brought down previous drones, however is it likely that the escort has ECM pods to 'jam' the 'jammers' so to speak ?

It does seem to defeat the purpose if a drone needs an escort, however it could be they are guiding the drone through a slim corridor of international airspace, before they then leave it ??


EDIT - Just to add that there is no way an armed hostile would be allowed to overfly my battle group !

Originally posted by current93

EDIT - Just to add that there is no way an armed hostile would be allowed to overfly my battle group !

Under the current directives unless fired upon, they would be "allowed". IMO

No one is going to authorize any engagement that could escalate into a war with Iran. The president has made it clear that, despite all of the threats and provocations diplomacy with Iran is the only course his administration will follow.... It's actually a wise course.

IMO

If this was in International airspace, where the hell do the USA get off on warning planes away?

Those Phantoms were as entitled to be there as anyone else. Simple.

reply to post by neformore


They do, provided they don't try to interfere with another aircraft. It's exactly the same as a Russian warship warning off an American plane that gets too close. Or the Chinese colliding with our EP-3 that was in international airspace at the time (70 miles off Hainan). Where do they get off warning our planes off? They have the right to be there.

It's an amazing double standard. Anyone else does it to the US, it's ok, because it's the US. The US does the exact same thing as everyone else, and it's "Where the hell do they get the right to do that?"

reply to post by Zaphod58


Define "interfere"

Flying alongside it and not interrupting its flight path isn't interfering, is it?

Maybe the U.S. is trying to see how they react, try and provoke them a little.

Ya think?

Iran is completely surrounded by US forces that pop in and out of the borders any time they chose. We care nothing about whether they get Nukes or not. There is something else there we want and will keep poking until we get a justifiable response and then immediately retaliate...

reply to post by neformore


Considering that previous intercepts have led to them shooting at the UAV in question, I would say they have a history of interfering with flight in international airspace. If they were planning to intercept the UAV and fly alongside it, a simple radio communication would have been sufficient.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Previous intercepts may very well have been "accidentally" in Iranian air space though - see what I mean?

reply to post by neformore


Regardless, it sets up a history of shooting at them. So why take the chance this time? It's the same as if we were intercepting Iranian aircraft and shooting at them, even if they were "accidentally" in our airspace. When they weren't, and we intercepted them, they would react the exact same way.

Originally posted by neformore

Flying alongside it and not interrupting its flight path isn't interfering, is it?

Just a hypothetical for you...

How would you feel personally if you were on a commercial flight to or from the UK/USA, on a US airliner and during the flight, two foreign, armed military aircraft, known enemies of the USA, approach and are flying alongside, not interrupting or interfering with the flight-path?

Do you tell everyone to remain calm, and relax because it is their right to do that in international airspace and over international waters?

Just curious, how would you react in this hypothetical situation?

reply to post by amkia



"questions to ask........"

What gives Iranians the right to shoot down some ones drone "IN INTERNATIONAL WATER AND AIR SPACE..?"

reply to post by superman2012


If it happened any other way the Iranians would be pouting about it by now.

reply to post by ausername


No idea. 'Cause its not happened, and we're talking about drones not airliners.

Of course, if you want to talk about airliners - particularly Iranian ones - we can do.

reply to post by Zaphod58


The problem is - and lets not beat about the bush - anyone who thinks the US hasn't violated Iranian airspace is spectacularly naive.

And that's the problem here in a lot of respects - because this isn't the Iranians being awkward. Its a response.

Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by amkia

 

"questions to ask........"

What gives Iranians the right to shoot down some ones drone "IN INTERNATIONAL WATER AND AIR SPACE..?"

If they have been fired at means they’ve been naughty and was already inside of Iranian territory, why do you believe in every garbage comes out of the pentagon, must be serve you some purpose I guess..?

Pentagon and US administration (s) has the looooooongest list of (told) lies in known human history since WW I, what makes you think this time they (feeding ) you with truth..?

Capturing RQ 170 and recently scan eagle proving nefarious means of US Military intelligence service same as the Israeli drones and planes penetrating Lebanon air space at will 24/7/365.


with all due respect, who do you kidding..?