reply to post by Logos23
(Courtesy of the Common Law of England. Your friend against the corporate oligarchs running this country).
When a so-called "Debt Collection Agency" (which includes Solicitors of the 'Law Society' and Bailiffs threaten to obtain Court Orders) or when they
place any demand on you for money they are, in fact, according to Common Law, perpetrating a fraud. In the case of Court Orders, their original
application to the Court conjoins the said Court in to the fraud.
Here are the reasons -
A 'debt collecting agency' may write a demand to you, claiming in their correspondence to be "Agents" of the Originator (the "originator" being
whoever made the demand on you in the first place e.g. your Bank, Building Society, Local Authority, etc.). But this claim of theirs is a lie. These
organisations are not "Agents" at all, but have in actual fact purchased the so-called 'debt' with their own 'money'. That's how they become 'debt
collecting agents' in the first place. They do so by buying the case very cheaply, and then attempting to collect the full amount, from you. This is
how they expect to make a profit.
Please Note: Those who work for such "Agencies" (in the lower echelons) do not, necessarily, know anything about the law. However, all of them have
some kind of 'Purchasing Department' who know exactly what is going on.
By the Law of this land, however, their purchasing of this so-called debt has, by Law, already EXTINGUISHED THE ORIGINAL DEBT. This means the 'money'
being demanded from you is no longer owed. In Law. Anything you may (or may not) have 'owed' has by their very intervention already been written off,
by the Originator. And it was of course only yourself and the Originator that may (or may not) have had a Contract in the first place.
Thus, for any third party to claim to act as as Debt Collecting company and to say you still 'owe' anything on that original case is a bare-faced lie,
and to do so is actually a FRAUD. It is DEFAMATION, plain and simple. Fundamentally what has happened is as said that 'someone' has already paid off
the debt you may (or may not) have actually owed, on your behalf. (It is perfectly acceptable for Human "B" to pay off Human "A"s debts ... this
happens all the time, where, for example, parents may bail out their children, and vice versa. Friends can do this for each other all the time).
But, once any so-called 'debt' has been paid in one way or any other, it has been paid. And that's all there is to it.
When Debt Collection Agencies do this, they continue to pursue you for a debt that has been - in actual fact - been extinguished by their very
purchase of it.
This point is this. By third parties purchasing so-called 'debts' in this way, they had no interest in the original Contract. Thus, when they
purchased the case, they did so of their own volition, out of pure avarice, without legal, lawful, or moral obligation to do so. Solely to profit from
In short, THEY UPPED AND VOLUNTEERED. And we all know what happens when you volunteer for anything ... YOU TAKE ALL THE RISKS AND ANY COMEBACKS UPON
YOURSELF. (That's what volunteering means).
Which is of course, precisely what debt collecting agencies are doing when they try to palm the original business off on you, by claiming to be
"Agents" of the case and sending you such demands.
Debt collecting agencies are in fact perpetrating a FRAUD. Any original 'debt' which may have existed is as said already extinguished by the third
party pursuing the case and it no longer exists, so that any claim to the contrary is a lie. They claim to be Agents when they are, as said, in point
of fact, nothing more than 'volunteers' who have decided to take on all the commercial risks UPON THEMSELVES.
In "legal" terms, they try to get around these facts by considering the Volunteer to be a "Holder in Due Course". This is, of course, nothing more
than a "Legal wrangle" to try to get over their own basic FRAUD. The basic fact remains that the so-called 'debt' was extinguished at the time it was
purchased by them. Neither does it escape from the fact that such an Agency is NOT acting as an "Agent" of the Originator (which is itself a
deception), but is in truth acting totally on their own behalf.
In short, a debt is a debt between the two parties who contracted to the original case. A third party acting for the same business is unlawful unless
they can show they are employed by the original signatories of the business.
As for Court Orders which may be presented to you, these must be presented signed, sealed and dated by the magistrate to be lawful documents. Without
which they have no force in law. The onus to do so is not yours, but theirs. And they must be served to you in their ORIGINAL form. Not as copies.
Without which they are not lawful documents.
Courtesy of the Common Law
edit on 9-3-2013 by dragonrising because: spelling is wack