Four Horsemen of Apocalypse

Hi

""four beings that ride out on white, red, black, and pale horses. Although some interpretations differ, in most accounts, the four riders are seen as symbolizing Conquest,[1] War,[2] Famine,[3] and Death, respectively""

I will preasume whats about in title.
1. What u know about four horsemen?
2. How u percieve four horsemen
3. Can u by your own toughts and imagination describe four horsemen
4. Can u define virtues, powers etc. of four horsemen, by what u read about them
5. Can u define virtues powers etc. of four horsemen by your tought and imagination
6. When four horsemen will appear, did they already?
7. On wich way four horsemen will come and do.. stuff..

-please provide your personal input on this questions/answers
-please answer on all questions in one post. if possible.
take time. feel it. think it. write it.
Regards,

I think the 4 Horsemen prophecy is just fanciful story telling. If you stretch far enough, you can draw parallels to world leaders, flags, even popes. It's a fun myth, but just that. Myth.

reply to post by DaTroof


agree
but, most myths are true to some point.

Originally posted by DaTroof
I think the 4 Horsemen prophecy is just fanciful story telling. If you stretch far enough, you can draw parallels to world leaders, flags, even popes. It's a fun myth, but just that. Myth.

The bible constantly seems to be mostly a retelling of previous stories.. so much of the bible has existed in previous forms throughout history.. I think it's literally just a collection of morality tales that have been assembled into a book as a basis for a religion .. which isn't a bad thing at it's core.. there are numerous "jesus" like characters that predate jesus and have a remarkably similar life ..right down to the virgin birth in a manger, the baptism in the 30s, the beheading of the baptist .. the crusifiction and the resurrection .. so I tend to think of this as a series of stories that were kept alive, picked and then re-written for the final book of stories..

Originally posted by wwwchronos
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agree
but, most myths are true to some point.

I agree there as well, but the original point is often diluted by lots of grandeur .. as with the noah story which I think dates back to a very much older story dealing with a trader who had a large ship to sell goods up and down a river .. I just can't remember the specific origin .. but it's way older than Noah and seems to be the origin...

ok i get it. i know that.
i searched for your personal input on questions.

reply to post by wwwchronos


You can flesh in all the details you want through imagination, but it's all speculation in the end, so what's the point? My personal opinion is that we created the four horsemen of the apocalypse, they're just taking longer than we anticipated because we have to vote them into the White House first.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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You can flesh in all the details you want through imagination, but it's all speculation in the end, so what's the point? My personal opinion is that we created the four horsemen of the apocalypse, they're just taking longer than we anticipated because we have to vote them into the White House first.

They are there aleady in the form of his cabinet; some of them are horsewomen wielding whips loosely disguised as socialists riding donkeys.

They are not horsemen.... it is all symbolic pay attention to the order, what they stand for and most importantly colors.

Originally posted by Newagekid2012
They are not horsemen.... it is all symbolic pay attention to the order, what they stand for and most importantly colors.

They are frequencies, color spectrum not sound.

The Noah precursor guy was Utinaspshtin a sumerian,
I think.....
The four horsemen are the symbolic of the terrible crimes man will commit against man.
Not just war, But Starvation, Germ warfare of horrid diseases etc..all the tortures and evil things men do to each other....
They are horsemen, in that day, which shows the speed of their passing throughout the world....
horses were the fastest we had gone at that time....
The swiftness of the onset of calamity.....
I am finding remarkable corollaries between revelations and the present as it is.....

reply to post by wwwchronos


The 4 horsemen of revelation appear to be a take on the 4 kinds of horses we read of in Zechariah 6.

I looked up again, and there before me were four chariots coming out from between two mountains—mountains of bronze. The first chariot had red horses, the second black, the third white, and the fourth dappled - all of them powerful. I asked the angel who was speaking to me, “What are these, my lord?”
-Zechariah 6:1-4

Notice the colors - red, black, white and dappled (sickly) Its the same as what we read of in Revelations.

Also, the horses are described as "spirits of heaven"...

The angel answered me, “These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world.
-Zechariah 6:5

reply to post by wwwchronos

The "four horsemen" can be understood by comparison with the four horses that appear in the first chapter of Zechariah
I refer YOU to my two threads on the subject;
Four Horsemen- Why?
Four Horsemen- How?

Briefly, Zecharaiah shows them as God's response to a world that oppresses his people.
The imagery is of three death-bringing horsemen riding through the world almost simultaneously, with Death itself riding behind them to pick up the corpses.
I understand the first three as Plague, War, and Famine.
The chapter implies that they come together and on a massive scale, so by that definition we haven't seen them yet.

I view the entire Bible as allegory. The term "Apocalypse" comes from the Greek meaning to "uncover" and it is the uncovering of the true nature of the Biblical and non-Biblical allegory that is the great disaster that the Apocalypse refers to. This uncovering actually occurred and was brought about by the founder of the Gnostics who is identified as Judas. The Four Horsemen represent the various ways that knowledge is treated. White is false knowledge which makes up most of the literal meaning of allegoric works. Red is real knowledge that can also be present in allegoric works, but usually it is presented in a false context so that it is still not accurately understood by the uninitiated. Real knowledge obviously would conflict with false knowledge so this is where the idea of "war" comes in. Black or "famine" represents censorship in which knowledge is simply destroyed. Death represents a form of censorship in which knowledge placed in the "underworld" of hidden meanings; however, the "dead" can be resurrected if one knows how to accurately interpret allegory or if censorship is lifted.

Christianity began as Gnosticism and after the Apocalypse there was an effort to erase the Gnostics and their works from the face of the Earth. At some point however, the Gnostics were also infiltrated and the nature of their interpretations were altered. One example of the disinformation (a mixture of "white" and "red") introduced into Gnosticism are the writings of Philo. (The interpretations of Philo are metaphorically represented as "walking on water" because his interpretations did not penetrate below the surface. He basically defined metaphor with metaphor.) The alteration of Gnosticism into a less threatening form meant that it could be resurrected as Christianity. The Gnostics had been "anointed" by Christ and given a new "life".

This is not part of my "imagination"; this is the only way in which all the pieces fit together. This understanding comes from my own study of allegory. As far as I know, I am the only one that has taken this approach to the study of the Bible (Secular-Allegorical), so I have no other sources. (If my approach sounds at all reasonable, then you must wonder why I appear to be alone.)

Has anyone noticed how the colors match the four seasons? As though these colors actually represent the elemental attributes of the universe. Passion, determination, tranquility, imagination, so on and so forth. And that's why they are the spirits of heaven, because they are the expressions of the soul.

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-please provide your personal input on this questions/answers

It's describing war, how it starts out, talking about glory and victory, and how it ends up, with famine and disease and death.
The reason it is explained in Revelation is to warn Christians not to participate in them.

reply to post by vethumanbeing


Frequencies are colors and sound.

The four horsemen are symbols of conditions in this world that preceed the return of Christ. These conditions are what will allow anti-Christ to come to power.

The colors mentioned are indicative of the four cardinal points, ie: north, south, east and west. I'm not sure what the meanings are but they remind me of the four faces of the beasts at the throne of God...the bull, the lion, the eagle and the man...these are the symbols of the four fixed signs of the zodiac. Coincidence...I don't think so.

There is so much that we do not understand today that was understood in times past regarding symbolism. Consequently, so much that is written regarding prophesy goes right over our heads.

Originally posted by 1PLA1

Frequencies are colors and sound.

1pla1
The four horsemen are symbols of conditions in this world that preceed the return of Christ. These conditions are what will allow anti-Christ to come to power.
The colors mentioned are indicative of the four cardinal points, ie: north, south, east and west. I'm not sure what the meanings are but they remind me of the four faces of the beasts at the throne of God...the bull, the lion, the eagle and the man...these are the symbols of the four fixed signs of the zodiac. Coincidence...I don't think so.

Color frequencies are at one end of the spectrum, at the other sound. I was looking just at the color end (left hand side and down). Color is my business, then sound. The 4 symbols of the bull, lion, (scorpian)eagle, man are repeated as cardinal points in many cathedral contructions as relief form sculpture. There are no coincidences. Colorwise, red/war, pale/indifference, white/purity,truth, black/death.

1pla1
There is so much that we do not understand today that was understood in times past regarding symbolism. Consequently, so much that is written regarding prophesy goes right over our heads.

We lost our pagan roots; failed to see any validity in astrology bellied up to the patriarchal majority and lost it all when the physical sciences arrived on the scene. We became so pacified as to forget ourselves and our trust in the Earth to take care of us which by its Nature always treated us as its most cherished children.