Originally posted by ajay59
reply to post by DarknStormy
Instead of finding humor in the notion of such powerful people serving time, maybe you could consider the lives they've "touched" along the way. For instance little children that they have molested! What if it had been your child caught up in their entertainment endeavors? Would you still be smirking?
Originally posted by ajay59
reply to post by DarknStormy
That is exactly why I say I could get behind it! Perhaps that is what this needs and if nothing else, for people to get behind something so unbelievably horrendous.
It's like who won't they put on trial in absentia?
Last I checked too, trial in absentia was mostly illegal?
It's an entirely toothless dog, more of a stunt than anything of any merit or impact at all.
The guilty verdict followed nearly a month of deliberations by more than thirty sworn Citizen Jurors of the 150 case exhibits produced by Court Prosecutors.
These exhibits detailed irrefutable proof of a massive criminal conspiracy by the Defendants' institutions to commit and conceal Genocide on generations of children in so-called Indian residential schools across Canada.
None of the Defendants challenged or disputed a Public Summons issued to them last September; nor did they deny the charges made against them, or offer counter evidence to the Court.
"Their silence told me a lot. Why wouldn't innocent people defend their own reputation when accused of such horrible things?" commented one Juror, based in England.
"These crimes were aimed at children, and were a cold and calculated plan to wipe out Indians who weren't Christians. And the defendants clearly are still covering up this crime. So we felt we had to do more than slap their wrist. The whole reign of terror by state-backed churches that are above the law has to end, because children still suffer from it".
The Court's judgement declares the wealth and property of the churches responsible for the Canadian genocide to be forfeited and placed under public ownership, as reparations for the families of the more than 50,000 children who died in the residential schools.
To enforce its sentence, the Court has empowered citizens in Canada, the United States, England, Italy and a dozen other nations to act as its legal agents armed with warrants, and peacefully occupy and seize properties of the Roman Catholic, Anglican and United Church of Canada, which are the main agents in the deaths of these children.
Statement of the Independent Council of Roma of Serbia On the Vatican Bank Lawsuit
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Beograd: The lawsuit,
Alperin v. Vatican Bank , has given hope to the Roma people of Serbia that the injustices of the Second World War might finally be addressed. But the U.S Ninth Circuit. Appellate Court decision of December 30, 2010 granting immunity to the Vatican Bank for war crimes is a great disappointment. The US Courts can no longer be considered hospitable to human rights cases. The Vatican Bank has been granted immunity to commit crimes.
There can be no immunity for complicity in genocide. By laundering the gold teeth of our relatives, the Vatican Bank joined with the Ustasha butchers and mad men who terrorized Yugoslavia during the Second World – killing, raping, and looting with impunity. Now the US Court system has seemingly absolved these killers of any guilt through its actions.
There is irrefutable evidence in the form of statements of the witnesses, authenticated historical documents, and transcripts that our lawyer, Dr. Jonathan Levy, and others have submitted to the court.
The Vatican Bank is not a religious institution but is in fact well known through out the world for money laundering. It stands for illegal profiteering and not religion.
The US Courts have set back the cause of human rights to the dark days of the Second World War through its studied indifference to our plight. The US Courts remind us of Pope Pius XII who while feigning holiness encouraged the Nazis and Ustasha to commit genocide due to his inaction.
Today the vaults of the Vatican Bank still gleam with our ancestor’s gold. This blood stained gold was bought dearly with the lives of our kin and is now retained ironically with the help of the courts of the so called former champion of liberty, the United States.
The message of the US Courts is unmistakable – the lives of Roma are worthless in their eyes when compared to the golden allure of the Vatican. The message to neo Nazis, fascists, and racists everywhere is clear as well– it is OK to kill and rob Roma as long as you can make a legal argument for immunity.
On 23 July 1997, The US National Archives faxed us a copy of a Top Secret document that had recently been declassified. It was a report from Emerson Bigelow, an intelligence officer of the Strategic Services Unit. The SSU was an interim spy organization that existed between the end of the Office of Strategic Services and the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency. The intelligence report was 'received from a reliable source in Italy' and was forwarded to the US Treasury Department on 21 October 1946.
...According to Bigelow's separate sources, a large portion of Nazi gold stolen by Ante Pavelic and his fellow Croatian war criminals had, indeed, ended up in the Vatican Bank:
The Ustascha organization (a Croatian fascist organization, headed by Ante Pavelic) removed funds from Jugoslavia estimated to total 350 million Swiss francs. The funds were largely in the form of gold coins.
Of the funds brought from the former Independent Croat State where Jews and Serbs were plundered to support the Ustascha organization in exile, an estimated 150 million Swiss Francs were impounded by British authorities at the Austro-Swiss frontier; the balance of approximately 200 million Swiss Francs was originally held in the Vatican for safe-keeping. According to rumor, a considerable portion of this latter amount has been sent to Spain and Argentina through the Vatican "pipeline", but it is quite possible that this is merely a smoke-screen to cover the fact that the treasure remains in its original depository.
Bigelow was right to suspect a smoke screen...a few months after the Bigelow report, Special Agent William Gowen of the US Army Counter Intelligence Corps established that the British had taken the Ustashi money to Italy ‘accompanied by a number of priests’. British intelligence, instead of seizing the stolen assets, passed them to the Vatican to finance an anti-Communist Croatian terrorist network known as Krizari.
[ citing: Gowen memo of 29 August 1947 , Pavelic CIC file, released under US FOIA, pp. 2-6. Father Draganovic, the Vatican’s point man for the Krizari operations, made a full confession years later to the Yugoslav intelligence services. Draganovic statement to Yugoslav authorities, 26 September 1967; and article in [i[La Republic, 24 September 1948, Italian ministry of Foreign Affairs Archives, 1948 Busta 33, fasciolo 2, processo di Zagrabia]
Father Draganovic, the key Vatican organizer of the Ratlines and a major intelligence source inside the Vatican, later admitted that in 1945 400 kilos of Ustashi gold, worth millions of dollars, had been hidden in Austria, and he had personally moved 40 kilos to Rome concealed in two packing crates.
[citing: Statement by Father Draganovic to Yugoslav authorities, 26 September 1967]
18 months after the Bigelow report, US Army intelligence confirmed the existence of the Vatican-Swiss Bank connection. They reported that 2,400 kilos of gold and other valuables...still remained in the Vatican's secret accounts in Switzerland. But how did they get it out? And where to hide it? The Vatican’s key courier for the Ustashi’s stolen gold in Switzerland was the Slovene quisling Bishop Rozman, who arranged to send it to Italy and later Pavelic in Argentina.
[citing: Harrington CIC Memo of 9 March 1948, ‘Activity of Bishops Rozman and Saric’, released under FOIA]
Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 297-298
Mention of the American-Nazi collaboration and the British assassination teams were censored from the original edition of this book, along with any mention of the Vatican’s role in laundering Nazi money back to the American corporate investors.
[citing - Records confirming the censorship should still be on file with the Publication Review Commission of the CIA. I hereby waive any Privacy Act restrictions for those seeking access.]
Loftus, John (2010-11-11). America's Nazi Secret: An Insider's History (Kindle Locations 388-390). Independent Publishers Group. Kindle Edition.
The CIA quickly censored any mention of the Vatican role in smuggling Nazis.
Loftus, John (2010-11-11). America's Nazi Secret (Kindle Location 573). Independent Publishers Group. Kindle Edition.
Where in 1991 we found 'no direct evidence that the Vatican profited from the property stolen from the Nazis' victims, in 1997 we find that on the balance of probabilities, and taking into account the additional evidence that has since emerged, there was no other reason than profit for this enterprise.
...the bulk of the stolen Nazi money was laundered from Switzerland through the one bank that can never be audited. The trail of Nazi money leads to the one financial institution with total diplomatic immunity: The Vatican Bank
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 288-289
The Nazi looting of the wealth of nations was one of the most documented crimes in history. National treasuries were seized, art-works stolen; tens of billions of dollars' worth of gems and currency vanished forever. But Half a century later, we are only beginning to ask the crucial question: Where did all that money go?
The current generation of Zurich bankers is not alone in knowing the key role played by the Vatican in laundering the Nazis' money. Many others in the world of international finance in the late 1990's also understand how these events in the early decades of this century connect directly to the Holy See and the Nazis' stolen treasure.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 289-290
If you want to complain about how the trial was run that is your prerogative, but the defendants were given the opportunity to present themselves and make a defence and they choose not to.
The International Court of Justice is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations has found the following individuals guilty of crimes against humanity and given them a 25 years prison sentences:
Instead of complaining about whether the lawsuit has teeth or not, how about you seek to learn as a citizen of the world what you can do to make sure such information gets out to the public so that such rulings can have teeth and the concerned people of the world can take back their freedom taken from them.
Originally posted by ajay59
So, I guess we know where some stand on the issue of child sex trafficking, molestation and even genocide. If you are not against it enough to put an end to it in any way possible I guess that means you are for it! Yea, Vatican City IS it's own nation state, Germany was the most powerful nation in the world too, at one time. What happened to them Nazis when they tried to dominate the world? These organizations can be dealt with! I f the world could stop the Nazi juggernaut, then surely it can stop the abuse and genocide of entire peoples and children!edit on 26-2-2013 by ajay59 because: to amendedit on 26-2-2013 by ajay59 because: (no reason given)