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Kerry, I will cut 100,000 jobs to pay for my plans

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posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 07:54 AM
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Seems Kerry is finally telling the truth, He plans to cut 100,000 jobs just to pay for his social plans. Now that's a plan, how can he stand there and lie about Bush when he has a plan to cut jobs not create them.

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Kerry has proposed rolling back tax cuts for Americans with incomes of more than $200,000 a year and use the money to fund a host of domestic initiatives.

In an exclusive interview with CNN's Candy Crowley, he said, "No, you can't pay for all of it." It was his first interview since the presidential debate.

To bridge the gap, Kerry said some of the money would come from closing $40 billion in corporate tax loopholes, consolidating federal statistical and export agencies and cutting the number of federal contractors by 100,000.

Kerry said he would follow a fiscally responsible "pay-as-you-go" plan and clearly identify how new programs would be financed.

www.cnn.com...




posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:15 AM
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MORE than 100,000 will loose their jobs if Kerry gets in.

He has already promised to cut the Missile Defense program.
He wants to make MAJOR cuts in defense and aerospace
industries. Boeing, Lockheed, United Technologies, Raytheon,
Northrop, NASA, etc. etc. will all suffer HUGE cutbacks and layoffs.



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:18 AM
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I find it interesting that he wants to cut the jobs of those who protect us from the terrorist. Our borders will bo open for all the terrorist to come across, the airline industry will not be safe, and we will long for the day when President Bush was in charge.



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by jrsdls
I find it interesting that he wants to cut the jobs of those who protect us from the terrorist. Our borders will bo open for all the terrorist to come across, the airline industry will not be safe, and we will long for the day when President Bush was in charge.


What are you talking about? He's talking about cutting contractors, not security personel. Plus, under Bush, our borders(Mexico) ARE open for terrorists to come across! Our airline industry isnt safe. Terrorist would have no problem in repeating the 9/11 hijackings again, anyone could do it.
Saying that 100,000 people will lose their jobs is a gross oversimplification of the situation. Sure, that many contractors may lose there jobs, but the money that was saved by cutting them would create just as many in other sectors.



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:47 AM
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as mentioned by apw100
Saying that 100,000 people will lose their jobs is a gross oversimplification of the situation. Sure, that many contractors may lose there jobs, but the money that was saved by cutting them would create just as many in other sectors.



Please tell that to those families and individuals that will undoubtedly be unemployed due to this, k?
100,000 federal, key word here....CONTRACTORS does NOT necessarily represent an individual....they may represent a small company, small business....
And if that be the case, then 100,000 is multiplied by how many more within each of those small businesses and companies that say have to let half of their workers go because of lack of work, etc...?

The specifics of a word is unknown here, as undoubtedly are the reprecussions.....contractors.




seekerof



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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So, the government award MAJOR tax breaks to the big corporations. They then award contracts to those same corporations, paid for with the taxes the rest of us pay, which are then grossly overcharged.
Hoorah!!! Large Gin and Tonics all round for the corporate boys and their political lapdogs
They must be laughing at the rest of us all the way to the bank



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:51 AM
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your logic is faulty, cut jobs to create others? who do you think federal contractors are? They are mainly in the intelligence, security, and defense related field. What companies do you think hire these guys. Booz-Allen, CSC, TRW, Northrup Gruman, ect. These jobs are traditionally higher paying, so now you are saving money on their salary, but you are loosing their tax dollars. you are going to see companies going under and as a result, a less-safe America.



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Britguy
So, the government award MAJOR tax breaks to the big corporations. They then award contracts to those same corporations, paid for with the taxes the rest of us pay, which are then grossly overcharged.
Hoorah!!! Large Gin and Tonics all round for the corporate boys and their political lapdogs
They must be laughing at the rest of us all the way to the bank


You know, corporations aren't just big, faceless entities? They're made up of, you know, regular Joe's like you and me.

Hell, I worked for a major energy company. Their only crime is being successful. Raise taxes on corporations, and it isn't the CEO's who lose their jobs. It's the mill workers they can't afford to pay any more. There's already loopholes that allow the government to tax some corporate money twice, which is just plain wrong.

[edit on 10-29-2004 by Esoterica]



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof

Please tell that to those families and individuals that will undoubtedly be unemployed due to this, k?
100,000 federal, key word here....CONTRACTORS does NOT necessarily represent an individual....they may represent a small company, small business....
And if that be the case, then 100,000 is multiplied by how many more within each of those small businesses and companies that say have to let half of their workers go because of lack of work, etc...?

The specifics of a word is unknown here, as undoubtedly are the reprecussions.....contractors.

seekerof


Well guess what? Thats capitalism. Why spend money on contractors that dont provide services that are needed? Do you think these same contractors would think twice about firing unneeded employees during a time of financial strife? Of course they wouldnt.
Once again, your oversimplifying the issue. Yes, people will lose their jobs. However, just as many jobs will be created in sectors that WE NEED! That is the way of the world!
Oh, and the reason we havnt had any attacks since 9/11? Its not because of contractors or security, its because of the type of people our enemy are! Its relatively easy to maintain intelligence on the small amount of middle eastern and islamic people in this country, so another major attack is unlikely. If our enemy was made up of white christians, we would be having attacks every week because it would be impossible to monitor and control all of them.

[edit on 29-10-2004 by apw100]

[edit on 29-10-2004 by apw100]



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 09:03 AM
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How will these jobs be created in sectors that you need? please explain your logic to me? I am at a lost, you want to do away with jobs to pay for a socialist agenda. It's not the way of the world. You do not cut people's jobs in order to satisfy your social feelings. What is wrong with you? These jobs belong to the middle class, not the wealthy. This ammounts to a tax increase on the middle class because, you will have 100,000 more on unemployment. Welfare and other social programs that you will need to fund. how are you going to pay for them?



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 09:12 AM
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Apw- If you haven't lived in a boarder state, haven't seen the military
out there, the many arrests they do make, than you should travel to a boarder state and see what goes on. Not to forget the bodies they have had to bag of many trying to cross the boarder. I think many in office have made large adjustments in securing our boarder. Yes more can be done to improve this. Not to advertize here, I would however recommend the movie "A day with out a Mexican".
As for Airport security, many in the industry are doing a fine job and should be commended for what they have accomplished.
I do not want to live in a socialistic society.



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 09:19 AM
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Its relatively easy to maintain intelligence on the small amount of middle eastern and islamic people in this country, so another major attack is unlikely. If our enemy was made up of white christians, we would be having attacks every week because it would be impossible to monitor and control all of them.


Are you a racist? Have you ever seen the face of Irish Republican Army Terrorist? What about Timothy McVey? Not all Muslims fall into your obvious sterotype of a terrorist. You have no clue what it takes to maintain Intelligence on terrorist. Do you know how many people are actually working in the Intelligence field? By the way, the voice on the ABC tape is an American.

[edit on 29/10/04 by jrsdls]



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
However, just as many jobs will be created in sectors that WE NEED!


The point is that Kerry will be massively cutting jobs in the areas that
we need - defense and aerospace. THOSE jobs we definately DO NEED.

Me and my family are some that will be put out of work because of
Kerry and his rush to make America less safe. We are a Boeing/Philly
family. We, and those hundreds of thousands of others that he will
put out of work, pay a BUNCH of taxes. We'll no longer be paying
taxes, but we will be sucking off unemployment and food stamps
with Kerry at the helm. AND America will be much less safe without
the defense contracts. MUCH LESS SAFE.

The thought of Kerry in the Oval Office and his massive cuts of
jobs that this country needs - makes me ill.



posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by jrsdls

Are you a racist? Have you ever seen the face of Irish Republican Army Terrorist? What about Timothy McVey? Not all Muslims fall into your obvious sterotype of a terrorist. You have no clue what it takes to maintain Intelligence on terrorist. Do you know how many people are actually working in the Intelligence field? By the way, the voice on the ABC tape is an American.

[edit on 29/10/04 by jrsdls]


First of all, I'm not a racist, and I never said that all muslims or people of middle eastern descent are terrorists! That being said, our enemy in the "war on terrorism" are primarily radical muslim fundamentalists. Because the muslim community in the US is relatively small, it makes it easier for our intelligence agencies to monitor and identify possible terrorists. Is this racial/religious profiling? Does it violate people's rights?Yes, and no matter what the official word is, it is used all the time. You can be sure that every mosque in the US is monitored, but I would bet there are very few churchs that are.
Because of this profiling, it makes it much harder for muslim terrorist to operate, and easier for us to identify them. I'm not saying whether profiling is right or wrong, only that it is what has made the domestic war on terror a relative success.




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