The US Postal Service Should Go
Through Rain, Snow, Sleet.....or Hell?
USPS - What are they still using pony express?
USPS - Horrible automated assistance,UNfriendly & unprofessional staff
USPS - Package marked "do not bend", bent inside mailbox
USPS - Used Forever stamp and it took forever to arrive.
The USPS needs an enema!
Socratic Question: Should the Postal Service be considered like a bank, too big to fail, or should it be treated like any other business, if it can't deliver on it's promises, close it up and start anew...
Like any large business, the Postal Service has become top heavy, more management, less grunts.
There is only one solution, replace the United States Postal Service with a new National Mail Service that is built from the ground up, from scratch and is designed with the needs if the 21st century in mind.
This debate was rather difficult to judge, based mostly on opinion and speculation, with few hard facts thrown in. A few charts or graphs depicting numbers would have been very useful in determining whether the Postal Service is still a viable government entity, or if perhaps a private organization such as DHL, FedEx, or UPS would be a feasible alternative. With a debate that completely lacks any sourced material, the only alternative is to rule by a point-counterpoint method, and to judge the participants accordingly.
Opening, vkey08, points:
1. The USPS has sporadic service, depending on local.
2. E-mail and E-filing has reduced the needs of the general population.
3. The USPS is an outdated relic.
Opening, sheepslayer247, counterpoints:
1. The USPS is a tradition, and framed in the Constitution.
2. E-services can't provide the same benefits, no infrastructure.
3. Privatization would yield no better results.
Round one was nicely done, save the lack of sourced links for information, but this error by sheepslayer247,
So why is the Post Office losing money...?
Fact is: It's not!
But it is billions is debt and can't make it's payments
and then continuing with an explanation of the USPS Retirement Fund, for future employees, actually negates his position and reinforces his opponent's. Round one to vkey08.
Main, vkey08, points:
1. Postal rates are raised, and delivery times are extended, but service doesn't improve.
2. Complaints about service are rampant.
3. A poorly functioning business should be replaced.
Main, sheepslayer247, counterpoints:
1. Restructuring is required for service to improve. The infrastructure in place simply needs re-worked.
2. Private organizations have MORE complaints.
3. Problems will still exist, regardless of Government or Private ownership.
4. The USPS took years to build, and has solid infrastructure. A private entity would not have the resources to do the job properly. Round 2 to sheepslayer247.
Closing, vkey08, points:
1. Reorganization doesn't work. Well made point with a reference to ISCs.
2. Upgrades to infrastructure are ineffective as a solution.
3. Outsourcing to private carriers is effective, but the USPS bottleneck remains.
4. Create a new service that deals with the needs of the modern era. This could've been expounded upon by stating that most "letters" now are in the form of e-mails, so the actual focus of the National Mail Service should be on packages and oversized letters, as the typical letter delivery service the USPS was founded upon has been replaced by the equivalent of the electronic version of the same.
Closing, sheepslayer247, counterpoints:
1. There is no organization, private or otherwise, that can do the job of the USPS.
2. Not countered. Rhetoric is introduced supporting his position, but mostly just re-iteration of previously made comments.
3. Not countered.
4. Not countered. sheepslayer247 fell a bit flat after round two, and would have done well to offer solutions to the current dilemma the USPS currently faces. As an advocate in this debate for the USPS, the possibility existed for him to explain that with any government agency, redress of issues can be handled by your local PostMaster, at your local PO, if there is a complaint about service. He may have referenced the fact that the US government has many websites available, and that in the modern electronic age, you can file complaints online, as well. With complaints about service being the premise of this debate, nothing was said about the current methods of rectifying said complaints, and including links to such resources would've been beneficial to all that read this debate.
Round three to vkey08, and the debate as well.
Vkey08 opens with a short, but to the point statement regarding the postal service, pointing out 3 or 4 trouble spots in the service..I would like to have had a bit more information about these problems. For me this was a case that shorter may not be better
Very strong and well laid out opening, not addressing the problems pointed out by vkey08 directly, did a good job setting up a defense...however..when talking about the Facts of the money issue, I would like to see evidence of those facts
Round 1 I would give to sheepslayer
vkey08 comes across just a tad hostile at first, she pushes ahead with the complaints she started with in her first post, doing a great job, until she started quoting some complaints, for anyone to see if those complaints carried much value, would need to see the source, and we do not..
Sheepslayer247: enters this round and gets right to the point, answering the question raised by vkey08
sheep does a great job of countering the complaint issue and even provides video evidence to back it up. And with the closing of his post asks some vital questions of his own
Round 2 sheepslayer247
Vkey08 again starts out on a hostile tone, but follows up with several good points..this is her best laid post of the debate, if she would have started at this pace, it would be a different debate...however she seems to to have noticed the questions asked by sheep..questions that should be answered..
Sheepslayer247: he goes right for the heart, pointing out the questions he asked going unanswered, then in a good tactical move, he answers his own questions, letting the reader leave with those answers..
all in all a great debate..with sheepslayer247 showing we should keep the postal service
Final round and debate: Sheepslayer247
In the first round, Sheepslayer247’s post about US post’s economy is right on target and he does make good points about the private sector not having the infrastructure to support such an endeavour. Vkey08’s brief post is more like a rant on how lousy the US Postal service is.
First Round: sheepslayer247
The second round is once more sheepslayer247’s, who comes out with an excellent reply to his opponent’s Socratic question and nails this second round’s coffin with accurate rebuttals to his opponent’s extended version of just how lousy the US Postal service is.
Second Round: sheepslayer247
The third round is a very interesting one. Vkey08 finally expands her thoughts and explains the reasons why the postal service is lacking but her solution of a National Mail Service is somewhat of a strange idea and her opponent successfully picks up on it.
Sheepslayer247 also demonstrated throughout the match that the US Postal service might need an overhaul but to shut it down or switch it to the private sector isn’t the solution.
Match Winner: sheepslayer247, hands down.
Thank you to both fighters for a good read.