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Are you writing to have a dialog with me - or are you writing a monologue about "conspiracy theories"? Address my arguments not some "common feature of theories" that we both disagree with. This is a techniques of spreading DISINFORMATION.
Originally posted by JuniorDisco
You said: "I think my worldview is rather more frightening"
And you said: "TPTB are imagined to be so overwhelmingly powerful that fighting them is pointless."
I said: "Are you dreaming? Where did I say this? Or do you have insider knowledge?"
You said: "I didn't say you did say it. I said it's a common feature of conspiracy theories."
Are you writing to have a dialog with me - or are you writing a monologue about "conspiracy theories"? Another "common feature"? Or again spreading DISINFORMATION?
According to the hardcore conspiracists they want no guns, a one world order, total enslavement. Oddly enough they don't seem able to get what they want.
I don't know what you are talking about. But go ahead and "demonstrate" whatever is the nonsense. So far you have not demonstrated anything. You are STILL refusing to say what people are able to do.
Take guns. We are told constantly by the gun guys that Obama is desperate to take away ALL arms. This is demonstrably nonsense. And if it is what he wants then he's very bad at getting it.
Again, you claim to "think" but you demonstrate nothing. Again, you claim to be able to read people's mind - what Obama would "like" - without offering any evidence. If, EVEN Obama cannot "get lots of things", then how are PEOPLE supposed to be able to get what THEY like? Again, you are STILL refusing to say what people are able to do. Or, what your evidence is. Or, what is "nebulous" about Choice.
In a more realistic world, I think there are lots of things Obama would like that he can't get.
There you go again: "too powerful" is YOUR cigar-smoked worldview, not mine. "change" is a slogan we already voted for. "worried about the direction"? "Political involvement (how did the Media react to the Tea-Party?)?" Any more meaningless slogans up your sleeve? Again DISINFORMATION.If you are really worried about the direction things are taking - and if you're in the US you should be - I would advocate political involvement. Choice is an admirable goal but it will only become a reality when people make it so by involving themselves in government locally and by agitating for change. Sitting back and hoping someone else does it because the bad guys are too powerful is not going to alter anything. (emphasis added)
So what is your startegy beyond a slogan?
You are just refusing to say what people are able to do about the fatalistic and frightening situation you describe. Maybe you do not have a clue, but there is plenty of room for detail here. If you prefer to expand on it elsewhere, direct me to your own thread. Since you are not doing that, I must conclude that all you are trying to do, here, is to misrepresent what I say and to spread DISINFORMATION.
I'm aware that this is not a detailed response, but then a thread like this is not the place for that. I'd be happy to expand in more detail elsewhere though.
Originally posted by iforget
Here is what I would ask, If you are willing to die for your beliefs could you also be willing to not kill?
Originally posted by JuniorDisco
I don't agree with you about Bush being in league with Kerry and I don't think there is a conspiracy in the sense you believe. I further think that your desire for 'choice' is rather idealistic and ill-defined.
But get over it. People differ in their worldview. I haven't tried to force mine on you, merely written gently and politely about what I think. You on the other hand seem hell-bent on some kind of confrontation, so here I'll leave it.