The cross comes from aliens

It is suggested that Jesus did not die on a cross. Some people say he was nailed to a tree, and others simply to a stake of sorts.
However, we shall not debate whether he died on a cross, pole, or tree. My conspiracy regards the figure of the cross, whether he died on it, or it came later.

Why is a cross so symbolic? Why has it passed through thousands of years and still exist in 2013? Whether or not he died on it, that cross may have more symbolism than Jesus dying on it.

Theory 1
> Jesus is killed for being a false 'god'
> The reason is that it was not Jesus who came from "the heavens", but ETs
> An Ankh symbolizes the connection between heaven and the earth (picture of Ankh)
> In an Ankh, there is clearly the round, circular part. That represents heaven. If Christ was being killed for being a false god, then the straight cross (without the round part) could be a direct reference to Christ being unaffiliated with the heavens, or any true god
(the Ankh came before the cross)

Theory 2
> The cross represents a flying machine that ETs used to travel, most likely ON earth as they would have used portals to get to the planet
> Christ may have died on a pole or tree, but the implementation of the cross imagery could be a direct reference to how Christ was a false god, from no heaven, and the ETs are the ones that come from the 'heavens', or the sky. The cross looks like a modern airplane, and perhaps the ETs' used vehicles much like them. Thus, implementing Jesus dying on a cross would set up a guideline for how defying the ET's, or the gods, will bring you to death. It also means that he is not equal to the ETs, or the 'gods'.

Theory 3
> The cross's horizontal piece represents Earth
> The cross's vertical piece represents Heaven
> The part where those two pieces intersects represents the joining of Heaven and Earth
> Putting Jesus over the cross thus hides the connection between Heaven and Earth, as if Jesus is 'blocking' that connection from occurring

reply to post by Ghostx


Before I go any further theory 3 is way off base.
Jesus will bring heaven to Earth.
He does not block the path, he is the way in.

PLPL

The cross dates back to the beginning of our recorded history. You are right about Jesus being crucified on a cross, it is doubtful it they used a cross. It was probably a pole. Actually the fish is a representative of Jesus. That fits into the shapes you speak of also.

None of this has to have anything to do with ET but I cannot discount ET either.

reply to post by Ghostx


How does it explain the use of crosses on numerous Roman executions such as Spartacus and his army? Even if Jesus was nailed to a tree instead of a cross I'm sure the people at that time used to the imagery of the cross since it is a symbol of Roman injustice.

Jesus was possibly an alien due to his teaching being so out of the ordinary for his time and location. Dunno about the cross being alien though...

reply to post by Ghostx

Theory 3 > The cross's horizontal piece represents Earth
> The cross's vertical piece represents Heaven
> The part where those two pieces intersects represents the joining of Heaven and Earth
> Putting Jesus over the cross thus hides the connection between Heaven and Earth, as if Jesus is 'blocking' that connection from occurring

Jesus didn't "block" the connection.

Jesus dying created the bridge for human souls to cross over in order for all of us to live with God in heaven.

Without his death, there would be no connection.

reply to post by Ghostx


Stauros = Greek word translated as "cross" in scripture, used in reference to the manner in which Jesus Christ died.

This word means "straight", "pole", "stake" or "upright tree", there is a completely different Greek word used for the shape known as a cross, Jesus Christ was recorded as having died on a single straight wooden board/plank, NOT a cross.

Only 2 iron stakes were needed to pierce his body, one through both hands above his head, and one through both feet below, during a "crusifiction" the criminal died of suffication normally, this cannot be achieved in the "cross" shape used so much with traditional christianity, but it becomes 1000x harder to breath when placed on a pole straight up and down.

This truth is critical because it reveals the origin of the cross in an obvious manner. What you call "aliens" I call "demons" because that is what they are referred to in scripture. The ancient Tau in Egypt is accurately the correct origin of this symbol as it was used in ancient pagan cerimony when worshipping Tammuz/Horus (thus the capitol 'T'). Tammuz was the old sun god of the Babylonian trinity. He was honored on the winter solstice as his re-birthday (like traditional christians celebrate the birthday of their son god using the same symbol 't' today, during the same time of year). Ancient Babylonians would cut down an evergreen tree (representing the immortality of the sun god) nail it upright in their homes and decorate it with gold, silver and candle lights (sound familiar) in honor of the sun god Tammuz.

When an individual uses the "cross" shape and places religious faith in the golden symbol around their neck, it is physical idolatry (the breaking of one of the commandments of the Eternal), Satan and his followers (called aliens today) use symbols like the cross to hold mankind in the bondage of sin in this age.

So to conclude. YES the cross and the significance placed upon the shape as used in traditional christianity to this day originated from demons called "aliens" in the OP. You are 100% correct OP. Well done!

God Bless,

The cross as a sacred symbol is far far older than Christianity. The sign of Osiris slain is that of a crucified man, the ancient Keltic church borrowed the cross symbol from the existing beliefs of the Kelts.

The early church didn't use the cross symbol until much later, could they have taken this on to supplant and replace an already existing iconography ? I think this is highly likely. Also the Roman Catholic crossing of oneself is almost certainly derived from a much older self blessing ritual.

The teachings of Jesus are not necessarily unique, if one looks hard enough and can look through the propaganda and blatant lies of the early church and the way history has been created and structured it is easy to find many faiths around the world that are the same.

This is in no way an attack on Jesus, we are all entitled to our beliefs and should be safe to observe them as long as they bring no harm to others.

A God dying on a cross is quite the paradox.

A cross is a practical means of putting two sticks together. Seriously, it's the worst symbol conceived, and represents the stage on which God put on his little show fooling the masses into believing he actually died.

Originally posted by Ghostx
Theory 3
> The cross's horizontal piece represents Earth
> The cross's vertical piece represents Heaven
> The part where those two pieces intersects represents the joining of Heaven and Earth
> Putting Jesus over the cross thus hides the connection between Heaven and Earth, as if Jesus is 'blocking' that connection from occurring

Fascinating theory. It is also interesting how quick Christians are to dismiss the idea.

I have noticed that many Christians (not all, but a rather vocal number) do not follow the teachings of Christ as they should, but instead put faith in him to save them regardless. This amounts to a form of idolatry, turning Christ into an idol of flesh and imbuing him with the divinity which can only be attributed to the truly infinite one. This goes directly against one of the commandments, "you shall have no other gods before me." I see this commandment more as a statement of truth rather than an order. It is imperative in the sense that it is unavoidable; there are no other gods, not in the sense that God commands you not to worship any other. These Christians attempt to sidestep the commandment by claiming that Christ was the son of God. Whether or not this is true cannot be verified except in blind faith and obedience, which locks one into the worship of a human idol.

Idolatry is not a sin just because of God's whims, there is a reason to this commandment. Idolatry impedes the spiritual expansion of an individual. When one places all faith in something external, they forget themselves in a sense, neglecting to strive for their own needs and achieve that which they have been sent to this plane to accomplish (the ultimate goal varies per individual but can be generalized as an apex of spiritual expansion). It is not just important, but vital for the Christian to understand that Christ's promised salvation comes not through this form of idolatry, but in following his example. Treat Christ as your teacher, not as your messiah.

I posted this more as a "think outside of the bible" thread.
This comes from theories about ETs inhabiting the earth for years.

Perhaps this is the wrong section as I posted this with more of an imaginative mind rather than a thought based on research.

reply to post by Ghostx


Lets get some things worked out...

4 independent historical account’ of Jesus

1st century Jewish historian Josephus writes:

"When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing amongst us, had condemned him to be crucified. . . ."

Josephus, Antiquities 18.64. Josephus in Ten Volumes, vol. 9, Jewish Antiquities, Loeb Classical Library Louis H. Feldman, trans. (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1981).

Tacitus, considered the greatest Roman historian reports:

"Nero fastened the guilt [of the burning of Rome] and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus."

Tacitus, Annals 15.44 (c. A.D. 115).

The 'extreme penalty' being crucifixion. In the first century B.C., Cicero calls it 'the most horrendous torture.'

Lucianof Samosata, the Greek satirist, writes:

"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day-the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account."

Lucian of Samosata, The Death of Peregrine, 11-13 (c. mid-second century).

The Talmud reports that:

"on the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged."(12)- Yeshu is Joshua in Hebrew. The equivalent in Greek is lesous (13) or Jesus. Being hung on a tree was used to describe crucifixion in antiquity.(14)

12. Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a (probably late second century). It should be noted that Jewish writings of antiquity never denied the existence, miracles, and execution of Jesus. See John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus, 3 vols. (New York: Doubleday, 1991-2001), 1:96-97.

13. Pronounced "ee-ay-soos."

14. Livy 1:26:6ff; Luke 23:39; Galatians 3:13.

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Next, is Jesus below the ETs and some false god???
I will direct you to a website dealing with ET abductions, also known as CE4 experiences. You will find at this website about 100 testimonies of people calling out the name of Jesus part way through a terrible abduction event and the event being stopped in its tracks...
CE4 Testimonies
CE4 FAQs

So that rules out the ETs (the fallen angels posing as ETs) as above Jesus and Jesus being a false god.
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Next lets have a look at the power of the Cross through its use in an exorcism

Bob Larson: The Anatomy of an Exorcism (16 mins)


Pay attention to when the cross is used and what effect it has on the demon in question....

We see from historical accounts that Jesus did in fact die through being crucified, we also know that the Jews cold not produce a body after the fact to stop the growth of this new religious movement to show that He in fact had not risen. There were 500 or so witnesses who see the risen Jesus (and the early Christians were prepared to die for what they new...liars make poor martyrs). We have His name used to defeat the malicious actions of supposed ETs. We have the cross used to help deliver people from demonic possession.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together here. Obviously the cross has power because Jesus has completed our deliverance on it. Anyone who binds themselves to Him have this same deliverance over the powers of the fallen angels. If Jesus did not complete the sacrifice of himself for man's sin He would have been defeated and now deliverance by Jesus name would be possible.

Case close.....

If only people would direct their energies to things more useful that always trying to see how they don't need to subject their lives to God by dreaming up all kinds of weird theories.

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


I do not disagree that Jesus was alive and well, and then was crucified on some sort of wood structure, I also believe there is no indication that ET's were around at the time. Even in ancient astronaut theory they were around long before Jesus was miraculously conceived by a (reportedly) 14 year-old virgin.



As for the "power" of the cross on someone who was "possessed". Nowhere in the Christian bible does it say that symbols have power over demons. In fact the Bible says to STAY AWAY from symbols and just let your faith be the guide (suck on that Catholics). When Jesus healed the possessed individual he did not shove a cross in their face and yell scripture, he didn't douse them with Holy Water, he simply laid hands on them and talked the demon out of them. The cross was simply a "golden calf" invention by man to give their faith a tangible, solid place in their life. As far as what the cross did to the possessed person in the video, if demon possession is real, it was done by the faith the exerciser put in the symbol in his hand, not the object itself.

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


First of all that Josephus this is incorrect. I thought you did your research?

And if the person didn't live in the century Jesus supposedly lived, then who cares if they say he existed? There's people living in the year 2013 saying he existed, why should that be creditable? Get someone from the century, get a journal or a diary that says "wow, today a man named Yeshu fed thousands with 2 fish and bread" now THAT would be more credible.

Also many people were named "Yeshu" so that could refer to anyone.

The cross coming from aliens is an interesting theory because images of Jesus be in the sky and sometimes white "orbs" form crosses in the sky.

Christianity is Paganism just like every other religion. Christian don't want to admit that they are closely tied to Catholics since the pope put together their bible.