Cryptids, Demons, Monsters

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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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howdy,

like most of you i have an interest in off-the-wall subjects, and that led once to the purchase of a book called Monsters. its by john micheal greer and subtitled an investigators guide to magical beings..

the book claims to offer a magicians opinion about classical monsters..

its a fun read but im not here to plug it, im here to ask a few questions of the ATS cryptid community.

questions like, Is there crossover between cryptozoology and occultism?

for example, i once asked a UFO researcher that i knew how he felt about European folklore.. he said he knew nothing. I asked him if we couldnt connect the dots between faerie circles and crop circles, between changelings and alien hybrid babies, between abduction time-loss syndrome and the Rip Van Winkle phenomenon...

The researcher told me that as a UFO guy he had to keep his stuff strictly scientific, and couldnt even get NEAR folklore because it would (by association) make him a looney (or MORE of one LOL)...

if you read up on ole Al Crowley you will find some that say that he was doing a magical work at boleskine on Loch Ness and that after he failed, people started to sight the lake monster we all love so much.

the book i mentioned earlier basically blames occultism (Magick) for most of the cryptids... not things like the coelacanth, but things like bigfoot.

greer claims that bigfoot is a shapeshifted shaman, he also claims that the viking berserker phenom involved not a crazed warrior, but a magician sitting at home PROJECTING a crazed warrior.

he claims that energy projection and or shapeshifting is responsible for most of the bigfoot / mothman / mermaid / dragon stuff...

vampires he blames on energy collection being used to feed a piece of the soul empowered to survive the death of the body... (actually his take on vampires is worth the price of the book)

which leads me to demons.

HAVE ANY CRYPTOZOOLOGISTS TRIED TO SUMMON A DEMON?

it sounds like it would be inside the bounds of the quest...

unless the semi-phisycal nature of this whole class of "monsters" moves us out of the scientific and into the looney bin of occultism and folklore.

how much crossover will the cryptid community tolerate? or are there any occultists here working with the classical grimoires who would tell us of their success?

although i dont practice i love to read crazy stuff, and i understand that there are 72 named "things" that are summonable in the goetia..

of course it would take a certain amount of lunacy to just summon demons on a whim so instead of searching the local stores for chalk and a bunch o black candles, i thought id ask you guys...

what do you make of Magical Monsters?
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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Cryptids, Demons, and Monsters oh my

Cryptids, Demons, and Monsters oh my

sorry I dont know why this made me think of the wizard of oz



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 02:35 AM
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You mentioned Crowley. Surely the resemblance between Crowley's "Lam" and the typical grey alien can not be discounted by cryptozoologists and ufologists out of hand?



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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oh yeah theres a resemblance at least... lemme see if i can drop a link to a pic of crowleys lil dude...

www.boudillion.com...



regarding my own OP

the evocation community itself seems split between those who say its all mental theater and those who say dont try this at home...

im still not summoning anything but like i said, im curious.

occult simply means hidden, so in a certain sense, the alien presence here on earth is occult, its certainly not out in the open.

but magick isnt really regarded as a scientific activity by modern college folk...

SO

if the cryptids are still a mystery (unexplained tho experienced)

AND

if we are ONLY using science to look for them (forensics, hunting, tracking, electronic remote sensing)

THEN

maybe we arent investigating as completely as we could.

if "bigfoot" is a shapeshifted shaman who needs to cross a whole lotta ground really fast (for example) then looking for bigfoot dung would be a long and fruitless search, prints or no...

i am also keen to divide this whole class of "possibly occult" monsters from the world of the skunk ape and the giant squid.

PS - on aliens and conspiracies to cover up...

i once read that Werver Von Braun (WVB) was into film production before he got into rocketry... (note i need to research that more but hang on)

the film makers (germany was in really early) can make crazy pictures that look real
the secret societies can summon "things"
the GOV can be manipulated...

follow me on this

some group like the Thule Society or some other occult CLUB gets a guy like WVB in the gang. they also get a few of their people in government. a show is arranged where the club introduces certain members of GOV to "aliens" (actually goetic "things" summoned by the club). the "aliens" tell the GOV that the CLUB is the authorized group of earth contactees and that the GOV should start a space program based on CLUB members to make alien contact easier and to improve our sciences.

GOV gives CLUB a WHOLE LOTTA MONEY.
CLUB does stuff in secret
eventually PROOF comes out
ON TV

thats right, EVERY TIME the CLUB shows us its SUCCESS in SPACE

ITS ON TV

ITS A MOVIE

the part we can see from here with our own eyes is really just the SATURN 5 part.

thats WW2 explosives, a mere fireworks show. if the rocket stopped burning and fell to the pacific from high atmosphere WE WOULDNT EVEN KNOW


whew /rant off

but what do YOU ATSers think?

is there a valid crossover point between CRYPTOZOOLOGY and the OCCULT?
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posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 03:33 PM
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I have to admit that when I study the unkown things in this world, that I usually end up at a dead end that starts with the supernatural. I think there is something to what you are saying, the only problem is we are easily fooled by whatever or whoever is behind this. This creates confusion among investigators of UFOs or bigfoot ect. and knowone seems to be able to agree on the subjects at hand. I believe what ever is behind this is evil, simply because we get just enough evidence to keep us distracted and interested but never enough for proof of actual existance. We just keep chasing our tales, what I would like to know is what are we being distracted from and by who?
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posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 04:07 PM
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well I have heard theories that cryptids are not flesh and blood creature but rather paranormal entities/spirits/demons which is why we never find any real evidence. If you read nick redferns book "three men seeking monsters" he claims to visit a witch who tells him that creatures like bigfoot are were summoned here by occult rituals in ancient times



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 11:27 PM
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I tried to summon a demon once, but all the stuff on the angelfire page didn't work lol.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 04:33 PM
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Yeah, probably something to it. The answer is probably actually answers... note plural.

Unknown animals, dna experiments gone wild, conjured thingies-like tulpas, dimensional drop-ins or cross-overs with and without bodies as we know them, extraterrestrial guys in the traditional sense, operations of the universe we have no idea about yet, identification mistakes and hoaxes.

See, all nicely wrapped up.





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