US gun debate: Obama unveils gun control proposals, page 2

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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I'll start off by saying my thoughts are in a haze of shock to see what he's really done here.

The reason you are in a haze and shock is because you want to be angry, but there is really nothing to be angry about.

You wanted Obama to come out and say he is signing an EO to start confisicating guns, and instead he came out and made logical steps into making schools safer, making background checks better, and allowing health care providers to let authorities know if someone tells them they are about to kill people without worrying about HIPPA.

You can't process your emotions because deep down you know Obama made good logical choices...but you can't bring yourself to admit it.

Fox News is having a similar problem right now...they are dealing with it by not even talking about Obama's actions and talking about other things.

reply to post by xedocodex

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You wanted Obama to come out and say he is signing an EO to start confisicating guns, and instead he came out and made logical steps into making schools safer, making background checks better, and allowing health care providers to let authorities know if someone tells them they are about to kill people without worrying about HIPPA.

Don’t forget national gun registry (complete violation of privacy) and a halt to the sale and manufacture of several types of weapons and magazines.

I wonder how many people he will be putting out of work?? 10,000??

NDAA, Patriot Act, SOPA, ACTA, gun bans, 6 trillion in debt, higher unemployment, more on welfare.....YES, he's such a GREAT POTUS, isn't he?

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Just to clarify something here for me, does this mean the president has effectively bypassed Congress to impose these changes or do Congress have to approve them?

These do not need Congressional approval. But look at them. They are about enforcing existing laws, finding the root cause of the violence and dealing with mental health issues.

Then In that case I would have to say I am opposed to these changes.

I know that some who may have read my previous posts on this subject may take that as a u-turn on my views but its not. I just think it is wrong that the president can just does this when it affects so many American’s.

I don't mind saying when I first saw the headline you have here and opened it...I groaned aloud. I literally groaned. Seeing who caught the OP piece for this ..what will surely be a Mega-Thread if the order of posting is respected for funneling traffic. Oh.. Not you, OtherSide.. Anyone but you! I imagine there are a few topics you'd say the same or worse to see I caught 1st and top story for.


Then... I read your words.. and I have to say. I have new found respect for you and your thought process. I groaned because i immediately thought 'Aww hell... The Anti-Gun grab reported by a confirmed anti-gunner'. You're looking beyond the mere topic of guns this is being done because of...and looking at WHAT is actually being DONE.

I must say..the true outrage IS on the methods and tactics being forged as a new precedent here ..and not even the topic it's being done for so much. A great S/F and wish for many more to come on your efforts here at getting at the true issues. Perhaps we're all wrong in our extremes on Guns themselves.. Maybe working together IS the only way ....but indeed.. Today and THIS move is about far more than merely the guns.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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you bring up a very good and not yet really talked about point.. a fundemental change in the way the govt works...so-to-speak

this sort of is setting a precident...he has got 4 years left..will this tactic be tried again? and what about presidents that follow? what will congress do or say about this, probably nothing....this is just the tip of the iceberg...

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

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I for one, will be writing my congressional representatives to urge them to support these initiatives outlined by the President, including the renewal of the assault weapons ban. I am a gun owner who parted ways with the NRA many years ago over this very issue and I agree wholeheartedly with the President and his proposals.

reply to post by seabag

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States are already gearing up to stop anything unconstitutional this man or his Administration plans on enacting.

State officials in Oregon and Texas are vowing to fight back against any attempt by the federal government to impose new gun control laws.

Oregon, Texas officials warn White House against enforcing new gun regulations

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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My views on gun control in America have changed, before this all started I took the view that they should all be banned and America had no need for guns….

Now

Now I think that when one takes out account the statistics that show gun ownership reduces crime, that I have listened to the other side of the argument and accept that you could never actually ban guns in America my views have mellowed. Yes I still believe that something needs to be done, but the debate on ATS has led me to question what that solution may be.

reply to post by seabag

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Originally posted by seabag
Don’t forget national gun registry (complete violation of privacy) and a halt to the sale and manufacture of several types of weapons and magazines.

Show me. He did NEITHER of these things.

The manufactured outrage over this matter is hilarious!

Originally posted by seabag
Gloating about the demise of your rights!
I would expect nothing less from the Obama crowd!

Yep. Typical.

Quote from Star Wars ... 'so this is how liberty dies .. to the sound of applause' ....

MOLON LABE !!

Molon Labe

The phrase molon labe means "Come and take". It is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by seabag

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Originally posted by seabag
Don’t forget national gun registry (complete violation of privacy) and a halt to the sale and manufacture of several types of weapons and magazines.

Show me. He did NEITHER of these things.

The manufactured outrage over this matter is hilarious!

You must be kidding....did you hear his speech? He wants to reinstate the 94' ban. The 94' ban halts the manufacture of assault weapons.

This entire effort (with the exception of stronger background checks) is a travesty. Some people are so quick to watch our country taken over that it really is disturbing to me.

Oh well......I just have to keep fighting it. Thank GOD I live in Texas!

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