WH Plans To Overwhelm NRA With Rapid Victory

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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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They want to take the "fire" out of "firearms"....until they come after fighting knives, etc. then you will only have the right to your hands (better sign up for that karate class).
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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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The Sandy Hook outrage is already fading.I think you will have something new closer to the end of the month.It will be singular not multiple and yet be cause for a greater devision.If they play this card, it will be game on.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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double post
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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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Like socialism has been slowly creeping in it's installation in America, attempts to totally disarm Americans will be incremental. Any massive attempt at total gun confiscation will mean armed revolt.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by watchitburn
They can pass all the legislation they want.

The guns are already out there.

They are not going to go door to door confiscating guns, it's just completely impractical and unrealistic.
Not to mention it would put many officers unnecessarily at risk of harm.

For any type of confiscation to work, it would take a SWAT team going into every home. They would be at it from sun up to sun down, every day for YEARS.

The country is entirely too broke to pay the police the over-time. You think the cops are going to participate in that kind of nonsense for free?

Not going to happen.


A more realistic scenario is incrementalism. It's the way they do anything that's too big to tackle in one fell swoop. They will use every trick in the book but the frog always gets boiled eventually.

The guns are already out there but you have seen how good these people are at propaganda that weakens public support for the Second Amendment. They will keep doing this until there is nothing left but a small group of hardcore gun enthusiasts. Then it will be a much more manageable proposition. Not to mention the fact that they will gradually make sure that every gun that is sold leaves a paper trail so confiscating the few that eventually remain will not involve any guesswork.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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You ever notice they just enact laws without putting it to vote of the people anymore? They do that of seeming necessity, when there has been a (handwringing) tragedy. That way you see, they can get it passed because well, it's an emergency. Something must be done.

People get shot to death every day, the world over. Massacres, little wars, bomb attacks on innocent people happen every day. But somehow this one here means that now there must be movement. Don't worry about which direction, because its for your safety. We have that well in hand.

Next day we wake up and go huh, what? "You mean because of this one ludicrous act by an insane madman I have to be punished? I have to give up my gun for "my own good" because of Him?!

Nobody else is buying that crap either. Not if you are reasonable and realize that your protection is best left in your own hands and not others.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
You ever notice they just enact laws without putting it to vote of the people anymore? They do that of seeming necessity, when there has been a (handwringing) tragedy. That way you see, they can get it passed because well, it's an emergency. Something must be done.


Look what they did with Obamacare. No one voted for the bill that actually got passed. Everyone who voted for Obama voted for what they believed he promised. He claimed to be against the individual mandate before his election but then became the individual mandate's biggest fan as soon as he was in office. The official story was that he changed his mind. Riiiiiight.


Anyway, America voted against the individual mandate when Obama was elected. But when he "changed his mind" nobody seemed to care. The real problem is worse than just not having things put to the people for a vote. The people literally have become "sheeple" and will support anything their chosen one tells them to. It does not matter if they are allowed to vote or not because even if they were, the majority would be manipulated into doing exactly what TPTB want them to.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 11:03 PM
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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

"Gun control is a cowards reaction to freedom.




Clear, concise and oh so true.
Well said.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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What?



You will still have your right to bear arms, but the nasty guns will be banned
You are saying we will still have the right to bear arms, but we don't???
Sorry, no matter how I look at this, it just seems ignorant.

If that is what you mean then, I think you can see why.
If you mean "nasty guns" as in assault weapons, then I find it ignorant because they have been banned.

If you care to post an opinion, please research US law and rights, so you won't look the fool.
Then again, maybe I'm the fool. Maybe I misunderstood what you posted.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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You are the definition of retarded. 2nd Gs
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Now now, that is not nice.
He is not an American, he don't know what rights are, so please be nice and try to help him understand.
No need for name calling, and I think that's a T&C no no.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:22 AM
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Good eye (observation)....altho it is usually incremental (like sneaking up on a fortified enemy) until the actual assault. When that assault comes they will try to overwhelm the defenses of the pro-gun supporters with a multi front approach (pincher movement with the left side - initial attack - being legislation. then the right side with the executive orders). THE BEST DEFENSE for the EOs tho is to go back and AMEND (clarify and limit) the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968 so that the Executive Branch (POTUS, DOJ, BATFE) can not misinterpret its meaning in their execution (enforcement) of the law.
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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:29 AM
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posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:32 AM
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I think that he is saying that the government's plan is an oxymoron. They will say that you have the right to keep and bear arms but the arms will be banned...orwellian at best. OK you get to keep what isnt banned (it is the definition of "arms" that is delimited).



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 12:41 AM
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Every day they delay is a shift away from emotion based reaction, if they delay more than a month odds of anything like that vile creature Feinstein's bill passing are slim to none, even the Illinois state legislature has gone full-freaking-retard lately but they are moving far faster than Congress. I suspect if they push too hard many of the RINOs currently in congress are going to find themselves out of a job next election cycle, the polarizing lines are clearing up a little bit it seems.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 01:28 AM
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Frankly, I see nothing significant occurring. Americans, we get spun up quickly, but like children our attention span wanes and we move onto something else. It happened after 9/11 and it will happen after Sandy Hook. As others have stated, there are way too many guns, ammo, and high-capacity magazines to "go after." And I said multiple times on multiple threads, there isn't a federal or state mechanism in place to even begin to deal with this issue. The best they could do with the high-capacity magazine issue is to initiate a new purchasing ban starting whenever; simply, ban new sales of high-capacity magazine. This way citizens can keep what they have, but not be able to purchase anymore. This meets everybody in the middle.

The firearms industry in this country is "Too Big to Fail," to be blunt. Everyone wants an easy and emotional fix to gun violence in this country, but instead of reactive and ineffective legislation, the Congress needs to their job and figure out a constructive way to deal with the violence, whether its community invovlement and education, or mental health concentration. Really, the punishment for these crimes to significantly and dramatically change. People need to be afraid of the law, of breaking the law. Jail sentences need to be more harsh to have a real effect. Example, the recent shooting of volunteer fire fighters in Webster, New York. The shooter previously had been charged and found guilty of killing his grandmother with a hammer. Well, he served his time, got out, then committed this heinous act. He should have never been released from jail. Someone who kills another human being with a hammer doesn't ever deserve to see the sun again. I blame the judge or jury or whomever for this one. You don't parole or set free a killer like this. WTH! Any shooting in which a person gets ahold of another person's firearm because of failure to properly secure the weapon should be dealt with aggressively. Scenarious of this nature usually involve children. But punishing law abiding citizens with more senseless and useless gun legislation accomplishes nothing. You won't find republicans signing off on just anything.

Pro-gun folks are ready to support responsible and common sense gun reform. I know I am. No one wants to see this continuance of violence across the country. But what you won't see is the public supporting "Feel Good" gun legislation by underworked and over-paid senators and represenatives, especially at a time when Congress has a dissmal 18% approval rating!



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by BaneOfQuo
Can I still tape two smaller capacity magazines together?


Why? You can still walk into any gun shop (assuming they have stock on the shelves) and legally purchase high capacity magazines right now (use your brain and pay in cash, please) and walk out without any issues. The feds can pass whatever laws they wish, all that ultimately impacts is whether you can purchase something conveniently at a reasonable cost or be forced to do some searching and pay quite a bit more in whatever alleyway you end up making the deal in. Think... get what you think you'll want or need today, purchase only from private parties anything which currently generates a paper trail from a dealer, and pay only in cash for everything (including ammo, reloading supplies, and accessories).

As to the OP, the NRA is easily overwhelmed... its the actual firearm owners and freedom lovers in the USA which the WH doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 06:08 AM
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Still it is about being nice, just because he disagree's with your stance on the subject there is no need to insult the person, I have reported the post.
Just be civil and people will respect your posts more.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by Maxatoria
Err...The USA has guns to prevent this sort of tyranny so why not get together and just tell them you aint happy, now i may be a brit but if your right to bear arms is being removed then you'd better make it known to the politicians what you want with a well armed but peaceful protest



Our government is a puppet government. Puppets cant hear they can only move their chin hole.



posted on Jan, 6 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by BaneOfQuo
Can I still tape two smaller capacity magazines together?


Why? You can still walk into any gun shop (assuming they have stock on the shelves) and legally purchase high capacity magazines right now (use your brain and pay in cash, please) and walk out without any issues. The feds can pass whatever laws they wish, all that ultimately impacts is whether you can purchase something conveniently at a reasonable cost or be forced to do some searching and pay quite a bit more in whatever alleyway you end up making the deal in. Think... get what you think you'll want or need today, purchase only from private parties anything which currently generates a paper trail from a dealer, and pay only in cash for everything (including ammo, reloading supplies, and accessories).

As to the OP, the NRA is easily overwhelmed... its the actual firearm owners and freedom lovers in the USA which the WH doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against.



Right. We can buy all the guns, rounds and mags we want and hide them. The point is they are trying to make us outlaws in the face of our legal right under the law of the land. We dont have to hide anything in regards to our rights on this issue.

Some saw all this comming when they dreamed up the ATF. Think about it, they put firearms on a basis with controled substances when it is in fact a constitutional right.





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