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Originally posted by Timing
reply to post by kthxbai
But here you say that:
They get the standard plan that everybody gets. They just aren't getting any "special treatment" by getting to pick and choose what they like. Also, it's the employer fighting it, not the employee.
So yes you do agree. They don't get the choice to choose a health care plan that doesn't violate their religious beliefs.
You obviously didn't read any of the links I provided.
Originally posted by orionthehunter
Those in authority can force others to do things against their religious beliefs. However, one day they will have to answer to a higher power. If what they are doing brings down the wrath of God on them, I hope they are far away from me. Obviously doing such things against people trying to follow their religious beliefs is anti-christian in my opinion. If allowed to persist, it would also mean that the US constitution no longer is valid and our government is a joke because it pretends to uphold the constitution but does not. Maybe that's where we are at. At least half the population doesn't even seem to care.
A person’s Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Where this blind hate comes from to all things "corporate" is absolutely baffling. It's obviously not from anyone who has ever been on the Business owner side of life for even a brief time. The ability to selectively choose who should or should not be given Constitutional rights within our nation is really something to see...and it's a day I never thought I'd see come.
Originally posted by flice
LAW superseeds religion ALWAYS... otherwise the world would be an even more awful place.
People guided by religion are in a way psychologically sick and brainwashed and cannot be trusted to perform sensible decisions. That christian idiots choose to believe that life begins during conception should not mean that their employees should be subject to the same insane train of thoughts.
If the Hobby Lobby choose to employ people who still have a free choice in their own life, then Hobby Lobby should without a doubt be subject to the laws that safeguard the people that are employed and not some made bull# from 2000 years ago.
Everytime I hear religious people open their mouth about their ignorant beliefs in fairytales and superstition it forces me to instantly vomit.
We really need much much harder laws towards ANY religion to keep the general population safe from their brainwash!
Originally posted by Druscilla
If an employer was Militantly Atheist, would it be within their right to refuse access to any item covered under medical insurance if such procedures were attended to by a Physician of Christian, or any other faith disposition?
Christians can't say what preferred medical access their employees get either.
edit on 31-12-2012 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Druscilla
Keep your knees together?
How about we pass a law that forces all boys and men to get a vasectomy where they're only allowed to get it reversed (on their own dime) when they can demonstrate financial responsibility, like, for instance, keeping a current and active accidental pregnancy insurance policy, similar to car insurance, just in case there's an accident?
Originally posted by kthxbai
The United States is governed by the US Constitution, not by any religion. People are free to practice whatever religion they want in their own personal lives but they are not free to force their beliefs on other people. If a person does not want to use birth control, they don't have to. If an individual person doesn't want to go to the doctor, they don't have to. If an individual person is opposed to abortion, they aren't required to first get pregnant, then have an abortion all against their will. However, they also can't prevent others from doing the things they are opposed to just because they don't like it. That's what freedom of religon is all about. YOU can worship in the way you see fit and every other person can worship in the way they see fit. They can't force you to worship a certain way and you can't force them to worship a certain way.
When it moves past the individual status, it's no longer a question of your faith or your practice, it's in the realm of the faith and practice of others. If you own a business that employes other people, it's no longer your personal religion. You are participating in society, not participating as an individual.
edit on 31-12-2012 by kthxbai because: changed until to unto
Originally posted by jimmyx
the first amendment is clear....one cannot force others to follow their own religous beliefs. why is this so hard to understand?