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Originally posted by redbarron626
reply to post by angrysniper
I was responding to you using the phrase 'are not covered.'
Which I will stand by! Biological weapons are NOT covered by the 2nd Amendment! Put any spin you want to on it but Biological weapons are NOT covered by the 2nd Amendment!
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Originally posted by denver22
We gave you the right to bear arms and the power to meet justice rise go amend with
your amendments keep them honour them and merry christmas ...
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I would go beyond that because canons were owned by individuals back then. I would say that artillery and explosives are within the purview of the second amendment. Certainly any weapon you can make yourself should be covered by the second which would include thermite, poison gasses, and plastic explosives among other things. The purpose of the second is to tell the government that they have no jurisdiction over our God given right to overthrow our government should it become tyrannical or for other necessary reasons.
Originally posted by 11235813213455
To paraphrase... Anything not explicitly stated is then left to the states.. or the people. So in the context of bearing a firearm; if you can carry it you can own it.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by boncho
Personally, I don't believe the US has come anywhere close to "A police state" as many would like to portray on the internet. Rife with inequality sure, unfair and unjust in many cases? Absolutely. Not the point where any use of arms by the citizen is justified. I think many on the net who claim they are fighting for their rights do an injustice unto themselves. For now, the changes in government and rule has all been done by political means. In some cases, corrupt political means.
The state does not have to show itself to be a police state in order to justify the 2nd. It is assumed in the bill of rights that all central power naturaly wants and unarmed and silent flock of sheep.
Originally posted by angrysniper
No, you didn't "give" us any of our rights.
Originally posted by boncho
Personally, I don't believe the US has come anywhere close to "A police state" as many would like to portray on the internet.
Originally posted by boncho
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by boncho
Personally, I don't believe the US has come anywhere close to "A police state" as many would like to portray on the internet. Rife with inequality sure, unfair and unjust in many cases? Absolutely. Not the point where any use of arms by the citizen is justified. I think many on the net who claim they are fighting for their rights do an injustice unto themselves. For now, the changes in government and rule has all been done by political means. In some cases, corrupt political means.
The state does not have to show itself to be a police state in order to justify the 2nd. It is assumed in the bill of rights that all central power naturaly wants and unarmed and silent flock of sheep.
Having the right to bear arms and using that right as a use of force is two entirely different things. That should have been clear in my post.
In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4]
Originally posted by FatherStacks
reply to post by denver22
You my good man are correct. The second amendment of the constitution was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Sir Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws of England says "THE fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defense, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute 1 W. & M. ft. 2. c. 2. and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."
Originally posted by FatherStacks
reply to post by denver22
May we all find common ground in the coming months, instead of all this nonsensical country vs. country bickering that is prevailing as of late. Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season.
Originally posted by FatherStacks
reply to post by denver22
You, my good man, are correct. The second amendment of the U.S. Constitution was influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Sir Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws of England says "THE fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defense, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute 1 W. & M. ft. 2. c. 2. and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."edit on 27-12-2012 by FatherStacks because: (no reason given)edit on 27-12-2012 by FatherStacks because: (no reason given)