Originally posted by GArnold
I have thought for awhile that people on both sides of the abortion debate are impossible to talk to. They are hard headed and set in their beliefs.
They do not hold a candle to people in the 2nd amendment debate. Most of the gun proponents I have met have never actually read the second
amendment.,, have no idea of any of the cases that have shaped our current law. They just know to say second amendment when it looks like anyone may
infringe on their gun ownership.
As a person who does support gun rights, I completely agree with your above statement. You will find no shortage of gun owners who have no idea what
the second amendment says. I happen to know many myself. They simply grew up with guns, hunted since they were children. They have no clue why they
have the right do so.
Or "Guns do not kill people, people kill people." (which is ironic if they ever bothered to look into it. 2009 there was 9,100 people killed
by gun homicide in the US. In the UK where guns are regulated there was 39.) You simply cannot compare a society with gun restrictions with one that
doesn't in terms of violence. There is always way way more violence in societies with guns...
Now here is where you and I disagree. What I love about people who spout out these "statistics" is that they always fail in one common sense area and
choose to ignore it when it is pointed out. If a society has outlawed guns, you would naturally expect gun homicide numbers would go down. That does
not necessarily mean violence has gone down. If there are no guns available, killers will simply choose a different weapon. So you are dead wrong
when you say "You simply cannot compare a society with gun restrictions with one that doesn't in terms of violence". You are not looking at "violent
acts" your simply looking at "death by gun". In other words no guns + less death by guns = less violence is incorrect.
Here is an 2009 article which names Britain as the most violent country in Europe, exceeding even the US.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per
100,000 residents. In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677. The U.S. has a
violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
No guns in the UK, yet go look at violent crimes, real violent crimes and see which is higher. Robbery, higher. Rape, higher. Assault, higher.
Violent acts, higher. But of course they have less people dying from guns.. way to go
edit on 26-12-2012 by MrWendal because: (no reason given)